S8/b - is it time to say uncle?

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yeah, but what's any of that have to do with folding sixth? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I mean, if not for the title, I'd assume you wanted to sexy bluff raise, heh (seems like a bad idea but it's not totally out of the question...)

so yeah, am I just reading the title wrong?

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I intended the title for multiple streets, arguments can be made for a fold in multiple places, but the standard line is a call - i was hoping people would pick up on as early as 4th street that I had serious doubts about the ability of the hand to chop the pot or better.

[RandomUser]

There are a few holdings he could have that would crush you besides AA.

What if he has Ah Kh in the hole?

Or any Axh

[adanthar]

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yeah, but what's any of that have to do with folding sixth? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I mean, if not for the title, I'd assume you wanted to sexy bluff raise, heh (seems like a bad idea but it's not totally out of the question...)

so yeah, am I just reading the title wrong?

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I intended the title for multiple streets, arguments can be made for a fold in multiple places, but the standard line is a call - i was hoping people would pick up on as early as 4th street that I had serious doubts about the ability of the hand to chop the pot or better.

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oh, okay. in that case...yeah, it doesn't much matter. you obviously can't fold fourth, and fifth is (barely, but still) +EV if everybody's hand is face up. it's just what happens in stud8.

now, given the dead cards on *third* and the fact that I don't really know stud8 equity/how often people fold future streets at 3/6 that well or anything, I'm kinda interested in overlimping third. once there's a bunch of bets in the pot on fourth, though, you're seeing a river.

[RandomUser]

I double checked BBB's calculations and they are correct for 5th street making it a marginal call. The key is the reraise on 3rd street. Without that extra BB in the pot, it becomes a fold on 5th.

.54*1.33-.46*2=-.20

On 6th street, it is an easy call (7 outs to a low, 5 outs to a non-low flush, 4 outs to a low+flush and probably scoop). Villain might end up with a higher flush and/or better low, but I think those balance out the times where hero makes a flush and Villain has no low).

.19*2.83+.14*2.83+.11*5.83-.56*1=+1.02

And that number is probably too low considering you'd probably raise on any club.