Hillary: Replace "on your own" society with "shared responsibility"

[pokerbobo]

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Everyone knows what all this means, tax increases on upper income folk and large corporations and huge government social programs.

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of course corp. don't really pay taxes in the same way that a property owner who rents it out doesn't really pay any property taxes.

bottom line more taxes for everybody, maybe more so for the working poor.

As for health care, the only real solution is a two tier health program, basic services for free with emphasis on prevention, and private insurance for anybody who wants it.

And by basic services I mean if you get cancer then no treatment if it's above x dollars. Not as bad as it seems though most super expensive treatments don't prolong life very long anyway.

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The best way to handle HC IMO is to offer "catostrophic" HC options, where young, healthy people can get coverage only for serious events. ie You get a cold...you pay for a doc visit out of pocket. You get in a car wreck (broken bones, surgery etc) you are covered for the "big" injuries or illnesses.

Once people get older( have kids) ...they may want to change to a more pricy, but more suitable program for the current situation. I know when I was in my 20s, I hardly ever went to the doc, but my employer and myself paid premiums that were overkill for my situation. It was a huge waste of money, and I could have used it better for other things.

[PLOlover]

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The best way to handle HC IMO is to offer "catostrophic" HC options, where young, healthy people can get coverage only for serious events. ie You get a cold...you pay for a doc visit out of pocket. You get in a car wreck (broken bones, surgery etc) you are covered for the "big" injuries or illnesses.

Once people get older( have kids) ...they may want to change to a more pricy, but more suitable program for the current situation. I know when I was in my 20s, I hardly ever went to the doc, but my employer and myself paid premiums that were overkill for my situation. It was a huge waste of money, and I could have used it better for other things.

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I think the main point is that society can simply not afford to spend >million dollars on end of life treatment (last 2 or 3 years of life I guess) for anything more than a very small fraction of the people who may want it.

having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.

[NeBlis]

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having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.

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plz define

"FREE" and "FOR ALL"

[PLOlover]

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having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.



plz define

"FREE" and "FOR ALL"

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ok u got me there. what I meant though is that if the state spends 1 trillion annually on health care right now, it seems to me that could easily be reduced to 100 billion and that 100 billion would be enough for basic medical care and preventitive medicine and basic dentistry.

I think currently the paperwork aloneis 100bill.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

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This shows an appalling lack of knowledge on human psychology, how the brain works, economics, and the precursors toward a prosperous and happy society. "On your own" and "self-responsibility" systems are ones that bring about greatness in individuals and groups. Read the research by Richard Epstein on adolescents, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi on personal achievement and happiness, or even the latest book on optimism Breaking Murphy's Law by Suzanne Segerstrom.

The Hillary view of the world is a sickenly ignorant one.

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Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

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This shows an appalling lack of knowledge on human psychology, how the brain works, economics, and the precursors toward a prosperous and happy society. "On your own" and "self-responsibility" systems are ones that bring about greatness in individuals and groups. Read the research by Richard Epstein on adolescents, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi on personal achievement and happiness, or even the latest book on optimism Breaking Murphy's Law by Suzanne Segerstrom.

The Hillary view of the world is a sickenly ignorant one.

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I agree but what you must consider is the demographic make up of the voters who vote for Democratic party candidates consistently. She's pandering to a significant portion of her constituency, pure and simple.

[dvsfun1]

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"I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society," she said. "I believe our government can once again work for all Americans.

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I'm not sure who is scarier, this woman or who she claims to represent.
The government is supposed to be working for all Americans now, and they do a terrible job at it. Where is the +EV in giving them more of our money and more of our freedom?
I pay money to the government to leave me alone.

Any thoughts out there on living independently of this mess, if they have their way?

[UATrewqaz]

For the poor, unwashed masses of lazy and stupid idiots out there, big government is very +EV.

It's the intelligent and hard working people who actually create wealth that it's -EV for.