JJ - Top Set Raised on the River

[The DaveR]

If you lost this hand your read of the CO is wrong. Your hand range has a lot of hands that will give him a lot of action and every hand in your range is going to the river, plus a lot of bad limping hands have caught a piece of that board and he can still collect bets on every street from the players behind him.

[The DaveR]

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Yes, but unless that range is more than 50% 98s, you still 3-bet.

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Considering that he'll 4-bet a straight but just call with anything else, that's not exactly true

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If he'll 4-bet a straight but not a set...

[gezuz]

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I have no idea why people think a TAG wouldn't play 89s preflop in this spot.

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It's not that I don't think a TAG wouldn't play 89s in this spot, it's the fact that he would play 77 so much more often in this spot.

[m_the0ry]

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3 bet. A lower set is so much more likely than a TAG coldcalling 2 preflop with 89s.

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sums up my thoughts well enough.

[JJH3984]

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I have no idea why people think a TAG wouldn't play 89s preflop in this spot.

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It's not that I don't think a TAG wouldn't play 89s in this spot, it's the fact that he would play 77 so much more often in this spot.

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I think given these table conditions, a TAG will correctly play both of these hands every time.

I just think its more likely that a good player will raise the flop or turn with two pr or a set rather than a straight. In my opinion, we should discount the set over the straight because of this.

I think villian played this hand badly no matter what though. I am also willing to concede that threebetting is right. I'd love to see a breakdown of villians range.

[EGO]

I'm boggled by this river raise. I'd figure that even with the nuts, that he'd want to make two extra bets by inducing overcalls rather than raising and only making one.

I'd call it down, though.

I'd like to add that if Villian did have the nuts, then he was incorrect not to raise somewhere before the river because in a pot this big, he should be less worried about getting in extra bets, and be more interested in winning more immediately.

By playing passively on flop and turn he's giving away too much to his opponents. KQ and Q9, not to mention Hero's boat draw, are hands he'd like to extract money from while he's ahead.

Interesting hand, though.

[MoreWineII]

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I have no idea why people think a TAG wouldn't play 89s preflop in this spot.

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Especially when SSHE says call 2 cold with 76s in Villain's position.

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SSH says to call two cold after three limpers and a raise at a typical table with a hand as weak at 76s? Granted I haven't picked up my copy in over a year, but I doubt this. From my recollection SSH says cold-calling often with poor hands is about a big mistake as you can make right behind folding in a huge pot.

Tell me which page and I'll admit I'm wrong.