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Old 08-24-2006, 07:14 AM
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Default Raising all the pairs.

To increase my pf raise I started to raise all my pocket pairs from each position. I wonder how the 5-10% rule applies when facing a reraise? I suppose standard pot sized reraises should be instacalls...
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

can you link me to the 5-10% thread.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

Calling reraises with pairs is something you have to be careful about. A lot of people leak a lot of money by overestimating their implied odds if they hit a set. The 5-10% rule, IIRC, is based on the idea that your opponent is likely to have a big pair and pay you off when you flop a set. If you are playing 6-max, people tend to be reraising with more than just big pairs, so calling with every pocket pair just for set odds isn't always right.

Decide based on the player how likely it is that A) he has a hand that will pay you off if you hit or B) he is raising with enough trash that I can move him off his hand without improving to a set. But you have to be honest with yourself about how often you'll be able to take the pot down without improving and your implied odds. Sets are fun to flop, but not always profitable to chase.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:50 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

Calling reraises with small pairs is generally a leak. One I'm afflicted by... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

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Calling reraises with small pairs is generally a leak. One I'm afflicted by... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Me too.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

urb,
Just raise all pairs from all positions. Call a raise or reraise your pairs accordingly.
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Old 08-24-2006, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

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can you link me to the 5-10% thread.

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Q: I've heard other posters mentioning the 5/10 rule. What is it?

A: The 5/10 rule is an important no-limit concept that first appeared in Bob Ciaffone's excellent book, "PL & NL Poker." To quote directly from the book:

"When contemplating calling a raise because your position is good, you have a clear call if the raise is less than 5% of your stack, and a clear fold if it is more than 10%. In between those numbers, use your judgement."

It's a good rule for calling a preflop raise with a pocket pair in hopes of hitting a set. The driving force behind the concept is the implied odds in a given situation. If you get your set, but the opponent only has 5BBs after the initial raise, calling to hit the set in the first place is incorrect.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=3268411
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:22 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

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I suppose standard pot sized reraises should be instacalls...

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Assuming decent stacks, yes. The 5-10 rule shouldn't be any different here than otherwise, I think. Often you have to judge yourself (as it's often between 5 and 10% of your stack) if you're going to get paid off etc.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

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To increase my pf raise I started to raise all my pocket pairs from each position.

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Dooo it.


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I wonder how the 5-10% rule applies when facing a reraise? I suppose standard pot sized reraises should be instacalls...

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No way. Same rules apply. If the cost to add from what you've put in from your raise to cost of calling the re-raise is over X% of effective stack, fold it.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:30 AM
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Default Re: Raising all the pairs.

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To increase my pf raise I started to raise all my pocket pairs from each position.

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Dooo it.


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I wonder how the 5-10% rule applies when facing a reraise? I suppose standard pot sized reraises should be instacalls...

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No way. Same rules apply. If the cost to add from what you've put in from your raise to cost of calling the re-raise is over X% of effective stack, fold it.

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Just one small point.
When calculating the effective stack sizes you should take into account the amount in the pot at this point. Normally this is irrelavent when calling a raise with small PPs since the pot contains only one or two bets.
Here, however, it contains your original raise plus the re-raise. So, your effective stack size is the sum of the current pot and the smaller of your and your opponents stacks.
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