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Re: KQ
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Whoops. Forgot high pocket pairs; that's what I get for posting first thing in morning, lol [ QUOTE ] What percentage of an unknown's pre-flop range do you think that is? [/ QUOTE ] Golly. I'd estimate 50% of the range. Could be more, could be less; since this is an unknown, we can't know for certain [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I think playing KQ from the BB getting 5:1 is perfectly fine. We can get away from it if we miss. [/ QUOTE ] You don't lose money when you miss, you lose money when you hit and call down with 2nd best hand. |
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Re: KQ
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equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 25.615% 22.52% 03.11% 2610167 360386.67 { KQo } Hand 1: 42.430% 39.25% 03.19% 4550425 370218.50 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo } Hand 2: 31.954% 29.90% 02.06% 3466471 239307.33 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo } </pre><hr /> We may not be the favorite in this hand, but at 5:1, we have enough equity to make this call (see above numbers). |
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Re: KQ
But the problem is you win small pots when you hit, and the others miss and fold, but lose big pots when you hit, are dominated, and call down.
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Re: KQ
How long did you have to diddle the numbers? A4s is calling? KTo? QTo???
If you want to play KQo to a raise for half price against EP raisers go ahead, but it's not the best hand to play back with. |
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Re: KQ
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How long did you have to diddle the numbers? [/ QUOTE ] About 3 seconds. Literally. Just plugged in 10% PFR and 20% call. You're probably right, though, that this is too wide a range for an unknown; I wasn't thinking there. If you want to play with the numbers, by all means, go ahead. Report your findings. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Let's not be snarky and keep up civil discourse. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: KQ
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But the problem is you win small pots when you hit, and the others miss and fold, but lose big pots when you hit, are dominated, and call down. [/ QUOTE ] This makes sense and definitely gives me something to think about. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thanks. I think there is one minor flaw in this logic, though. You're assuming that we donk when we're ahead and make everybody fold, thus dragging a small pot when we win. On the other hand, you say we call down when we're dominated, thus paying off villain big. I think that if we just call the c-bet in both cases, it helps to mitigate what you're describing. So long as you don't show villain strength and just call the c-bets, you can get better-sized pots when you're ahead. |
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