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Re: Poker Gods/Bot Hunters: If you saw the following, what would you d
you guys are retarded with bots. They can't play 20+ tables. They need to screen scrape the tables and the tables need to be 100% visible. They also need to press the buttons on the poker client and trying to press 5 of them at the same time would cause it to freeze up (I"m assuming if you're 20 tabling that 5 tables need attention at the same time.)
No PC can handle the CPU usage of trying to 20 table a bot. Jesus. |
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you guys are retarded with bots. They can't play 20+ tables. They need to screen scrape the tables and the tables need to be 100% visible. They also need to press the buttons on the poker client and trying to press 5 of them at the same time would cause it to freeze up (I"m assuming if you're 20 tabling that 5 tables need attention at the same time.) No PC can handle the CPU usage of trying to 20 table a bot. Jesus. [/ QUOTE ] Now I'm far from an expert on bots, but I disagree with this. I would imagine that any bot that gets past security would be connecting to the poker client via a remote desktop. Given that shared processing power is available for rent (and through botnets like Storm), wouldn't it be possible for a whole gang of computers to be sharing the load from the host computer? Look at things like click fraud - IIRC correctly something like 25% of all search engine clicks are estimated to be fraudulent, and I know personally of networks capable of generating millions of pageviews and clicks across thousands of sites - all without any human interaction. Working at an ad network has exposed me to some coding/automated setups that go beyond what I thought was technically possible with current technology. Look up Storm Worm (and how it works) if you want to see what's already out there (teh rize of teh masheens!). This is a little off topic, but to say that it's impossible to have a computer setup that's automated and can play 20+ poker tables is, in my opinion, wrong. Does that mean somebody actually has one and is using it right now? Not at all. |
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A cynic would think that Gatorade only gets fired up about busting a 'bot' after it takes a few k off him, but we all know his heart is pure -- he will be on this. His only goal is to rid the world of bots. [/ QUOTE ] Original post said something along the lines of "SIC MR. HATERADE ON EM" but I thought it was too cynical, glad you covered my slack for me [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Re: Poker Gods/Bot Hunters: If you saw the following, what would you d
I'm 37 and am not as quick a thinker as a lot of 2+2'ers nor do I have any of the AHK scripts but I can play 20 tables of full-ring NL on Stars reasonably easily.
Once I get to 22-24 tables it gets a bit messy for me. But 18-20 tables of full-ring NL is a breeze. Him taking too long can mean that he's just playing a lot of tables obviously. But when he finally saw the chat he responded and that kept him more focused to act on that table quicker. 15 seconds also sounds like the amount of time it takes before the warning-beep thing goes off for a player, right? If he's ALWAYS acting exactly the same amount of time on every single action then I guess that is suspicious. But when I hear "every single time" I usually take that to mean "most of the time, when I was noticing...but I wasn't looking at every single one of his actions on every single table." None of this means that guy wasn't running a bot of course. But I think the evidence is far from conclusive that he is...as all of the stuff that is supposedly so suspicios in the OP doesn't really sound too different from how a lot of people go about 20-tabling. |
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You do run macros at least for folding, right Bob? If not, you are nuts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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You do run macros at least for folding, right Bob? If not, you are nuts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I don't even know what that is. |
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(CLIFF NOTES) - player X is most likely a bot. He is easy to beat, and plays 20 tables at a time. Three questions come out of my rant below, and are the following: 1. Is this player a bot, and/or what are the chances he is? [/ QUOTE ] Zero. [ QUOTE ] 2. Since he isn't very good regardless, is it still my obligation to report him? [/ QUOTE ] You just did. <grin> My "short" finding is above. My long one is below. [ QUOTE ] 3. Am I violating any T/Cs if I choose to just follow him around and try to clean him out assuming I don't report him? [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] Here is what happened last night on Pokerstars (Cliff notes): [/ QUOTE ] You saw a player playing 20 tables, acting slowly (10-15 secs at each one). You chatted him up and challenged him and though it took him a while, he eventually responded. I believe this is the chat in question. I have edited it to protect the identity of all involved. OP, please correct me if I am wrong about this being the session: [ QUOTE ] OP you put down the abacus i see <userID> OP i appreciate it . . . OP hah, <userID> - you need to tweak your bot's "crafty" setting OP alright, this has to be the worst bot ever P2 Bot? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] OP you dont find the play "odd" P1 are you aking me? P2 Uhm, never though of it OP he can feel free to say "hey guys, im a person" P3 <userID> = BOTTTT OP no, was talking to P2 MrX your all morons OP there you are MrX i love how stupid these limits are OP i knew i'd set off the script P2 Haha OP its ok P2 <userID>, how much you winning at these limits? OP just adjust the default tmer to not take as long OP he's at 20 tables MrX indeed... MrX who cares OP i tell you what OP transfer me some cash OP or maybe i just pop it up on 2p2 and let them figure out OP hahaha . . . OP i dont see any transfers MrX y the f would i do that? MrX -ev OP getting your funds frozen = -ev MrX rofl MrX k u can try OP those 2p2 peeps love bot hunting MrX u arent the 1st OP ahhh OP i see MrX dont give a [censored] if u think im a bot MrX tell support let them figure it out OP i really don't care OP i just wanted you to speed up OP it was annoying MrX u obv do... OP no, dont OP i really dont OP because you have not won money OP in fact OP P1 has taken like $50 from you MrX at 1 table... OP right OP my table, and i dont like waiting for you to make simple decisions OP and so far, i'm winning OP because A. you're now here OP and B. you sped up your game OP that is all P2 Give him/her a break P2 Playing 20 tables P2 You said it yourself [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] MrX its not that difficult MrX unless i gotta pis OP all - it's over, i just wanted the game to move faster OP mission accomplished [/ QUOTE ] Assuming "MrX" is the guy you saw (and I'd go all-in on that), I can assure you with absolute certainty that this player is not a bot. You seem to base your supposition on the fact that he plays 20 tables, and that he didn't answer your chat immediately, but later did so and began acting faster. Without going into the nitty gritty detail of what we look at to make this determination, your observations are in fact rather exonerating themselves. A player who is playing 20 tables is frequently at the edge of his capabilities, with actions "stacked up", awaiting his input at multiple tables. Such a player rarely has time to chat -- a table pops up, they assess, make a snap decision and move on to the next game. When he happened to note your chat, he sat out at several tables in order to slow down his decisions per hour in order to talk to you. When he felt the conversation was over, he returned to his full complement of games. Based upon the proactive bot hunting tools we have, and a complete bot review of MrX, I can say with complete certainty that he's human. Playing 20 tables without chatting is nothing unusual (as 'edfurlong' noted in this thread, there is an unlimited supply of players doing "extreme multi-tabling"), nor is any of the other data we examine as a routine part of bot reviews. This player wouldn't have ever come up on our radar at all, so few flags does he raise (none). In any case, thanks for your report, OP. Whether you report them directly to support@pokerstars.com (preferred) or just mention them here, we welcome the opportunity to perform an in-depth examination of any player suspected of being a bot. If you have any further questions, please let us know. Best Regards, Jeff PokerStars Game Security P.S. No "PWNED" followups, please. |
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Jeff,
That is truly excellent work. Congratulations. |
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EDIT: While I have been pwned and openly admit it, I want to make one thing clear before the flame thrower lights. Jeff is correct in his theory that my basis for suspicion was entirely based on my lack of knowledge regarding the number of players routinely playing 20 tables or more. After being educated on this by edfurlong and others, I both dropped further investigation and pointed out that posting the chat log would only have negative results. I now feel like a douche and will hereby revert back to strictly lurking. PWNED.
That indeed is the chat...and my edited transcript is the same piece of the history. As noted in the responses I made, I felt it unnecessary to post it both because I wasn't convinced he was a bot anymore, and it seemed a lot more incriminating at the time (2-3am). However, the official (and timely) response is reassuring, and I have definitely been pwned. Thanks for getting involved. |
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NH PSJeff.
Spaggy, don't feel too bad. Yes, you may have been pwned, but I have to say this is one of the best bot accusation threads I have seen here. You did a good job of explaining what made you suspicious, and you were open-minded when people provided you with explanations. |
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