changed my mind about michael vick, slap on wrist only

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Except what US Surgical did wasn't illegal.

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that's kinda my point. it doesn't seem fair that what they did/do is not illegal.

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O GREAT GUYS MORE LAWS

Why should what they did be illegal? I don't see them infringing on anyone's rights.

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They're very clearly infringing on the rights of the dogs.

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you're pretty close to making a point here but not quite. there is a significant difference between raising dogs in a healthy environment, then putting them through a painless procedure and euthanizing them, and putting them through a torturous upbringing after which they reach a violent and painful death.

maybe if the people in the program tortued the animals to become killing machines, then used the staples on them with no anesthesia, then slammed them into the ground until they died, your point would be stronger.

[Moseley]

Players cheating/teaming in poker games is a lot more common down south also.

You will also find a higher percentage of crooked law enforcement officers & local judges south of the mason/dixon line.

Finally, discrimination is more commonplace south of the border.

Guess there will be a lot of sore wrists south of the border under your rule.

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Players cheating/teaming in poker games is a lot more common down south also.


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Hate speech.

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I think michael vick should get slap on wrist at most.

why?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04022007/new..._dan_mangan.htm

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April 2, 2007 -- Judith Giuliani once demonstrated surgical products for a controversial medical-supply company that used dogs - which were later killed - in operations whose only purpose was to sell equipment to doctors, The Post has learned.

"It was a horribly cruel, outrageous program," Friends of Animals President Priscilla Feral said about the demonstrations of medical staplers on dogs conducted by U.S. Surgical Corp. employees during Giuliani's tenure there in the late 1970s.

Feral said U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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alternately I think these ceo's and workers should do jail time.
in the interest of the fair application of the law.

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Dude, rent "Something the lord made." Did you realize that open heart surgery would not have been possible without killing (testing the procedure) on tons of dogs first? Did you not realize that this was common practice for various types of surgical procedures?

Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them. They were in no pain and were probably treated very humanely.

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[PLOlover]

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Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them.

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wtf, are only idiots posting in this thread?

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U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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an analogy would be for a gun shop to demonstrate their guns on dogs (shoot dogs) for customers to demonstrate the effectiveness and stopping power of their product.

maybe you posted in the wrong thread or someting.

[ZeroPointMachine]

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Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them.

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wtf, are only idiots posting in this thread?

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U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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an analogy would be for a gun shop to demonstrate their guns on dogs (shoot dogs) for customers to demonstrate the effectiveness and stopping power of their product.

maybe you posted in the wrong thread or someting.

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Your heart surgeon tells you "I've got some new staples to put your arteries back together. I've seen the video and the sales rep assures me they are effective and easy to use. I've never actually used them on real arteries with blood and everything, but it shouldn't be a problem. See you in surgery."

[Copernicus]

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Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them.

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wtf, are only idiots posting in this thread?

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U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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an analogy would be for a gun shop to demonstrate their guns on dogs (shoot dogs) for customers to demonstrate the effectiveness and stopping power of their product.

maybe you posted in the wrong thread or someting.

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Your heart surgeon tells you "I've got some new staples to put your arteries back together. I've seen the video and the sales rep assures me they are effective and easy to use. I've never actually used them on real arteries with blood and everything, but it shouldn't be a problem. See you in surgery."

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Its salespeople who used the dogs for demos, not surgeons buying them.

[ZeroPointMachine]

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Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them.

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wtf, are only idiots posting in this thread?

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U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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an analogy would be for a gun shop to demonstrate their guns on dogs (shoot dogs) for customers to demonstrate the effectiveness and stopping power of their product.

maybe you posted in the wrong thread or someting.

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Your heart surgeon tells you "I've got some new staples to put your arteries back together. I've seen the video and the sales rep assures me they are effective and easy to use. I've never actually used them on real arteries with blood and everything, but it shouldn't be a problem. See you in surgery."

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Its salespeople who used the dogs for demos, not surgeons buying them.

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Ummm..hands on demonstration. Where do you think new medical technology comes from. Companies invest money to develop products where there is a perceived need. If they have a superior product that improves the quality of life or lessens recovery time or keeps people from dying on the operating table, it is still useless to you and me unless they can sell doctors on it. These doctor's don't buy a golf club without hitting it first. They sure as hell don't pick up some new surgery toys and wait till the operating room to give them a whirl.

[vhawk01]

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Torturing dogs (ie strangling them) is not the same as anesthetizing them and testing on them.

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wtf, are only idiots posting in this thread?

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U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.

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an analogy would be for a gun shop to demonstrate their guns on dogs (shoot dogs) for customers to demonstrate the effectiveness and stopping power of their product.

maybe you posted in the wrong thread or someting.

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Your heart surgeon tells you "I've got some new staples to put your arteries back together. I've seen the video and the sales rep assures me they are effective and easy to use. I've never actually used them on real arteries with blood and everything, but it shouldn't be a problem. See you in surgery."

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A guy walks into your office, and he says, "Hey, check this out, its a lot better than what you use right now, look!" and then proceeds to kill a bunch of dogs to demonstrate his product for you. You politely decline. Oops!