Thinking of moving to New York

[XXXNoahXXX]

My friend has a nice studio in Brooklyn Heights, pays $1200. Man, I love that area.


Also,

1) find a friend, get him to pose as manager of a bar, use him as a reference for past bartending experience.

2)Watch that Tom Cruise movie.

3) ????

4) Profit!

[otnemem]

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Huh? I'm confused as to what you mean by a 'fraternity graveyard'. Please clarify.

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Have you ever been to any of the bars near the train station? Hobson's Choice, Texas Arizona, etc? That should be enough to understand what is meant by fraternity graveyard. I like Hoboken for it's location and the fact that it's relatively quiet, but for a social scene, it's almost always Manhattan. I just don't want to spend my time with a bunch of meatheads.

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This is totally depedent on where in Hoboken you live and where in Midtown you are going. For example, if you live a block from the Path and are going to Madison Square Garden, you can be there in 15-20 minutes.

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Right, but I said depending on address. I would guess that the average door-to-door commute from Hoboken is roughly 40-45 minutes.

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$1k per month with lots of space is WAY off.

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Wrong. Unless you are talking about getting a studio or something, this is simply wrong. I live with 2 roommates in a 3 bedroom place, my room is 200 sq. feet (with a private balcony), and I pay $1000/month. We live in a very attractive part of Hoboken, as well. Granted, we got pretty lucky, but other friends in the area have gotten similar deals, as well.

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I was thinking $1000 for a 1-bed. My fault.

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Even the area near the projects isn't that cheap.

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That's because the entire town is being gentrified. The areas around the PJ's are the cheapest for new development, hence these apartments tend to be brand new/refurbished.

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I'm not sure what this is clarifying. My point was that even the "bad" neighborhoods are expensive now.

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If you live uptown or very far east (closer to the ghetto areas east), you can pay less, but not by much.

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I think you mean west. The closer to the river (East), the more expensive your apartment.

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I did mean west.

[keepitreal]

there are a lot of friggin hobokeners in OOT its kinda scary. all i know is im 5 minutes from qdoba/panera so life cant be that bad. and i wouldnt say 90% of the people deserve to be hated...cuz if thats the case im probably not in that 10%...

[keepitreal]

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Huh? I'm confused as to what you mean by a 'fraternity graveyard'. Please clarify.

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Have you ever been to any of the bars near the train station? Hobson's Choice, Texas Arizona, etc? That should be enough to understand what is meant by fraternity graveyard. I like Hoboken for it's location and the fact that it's relatively quiet, but for a social scene, it's almost always Manhattan. I just don't want to spend my time with a bunch of meatheads.

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i cant argue this. i went to a college with no frats and cant bench press my own weight...and i definitely feel like im out of place most of the time.

[otnemem]

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there are a lot of friggin hobokeners in OOT its kinda scary. all i know is im 5 minutes from qdoba/panera so life cant be that bad. and i wouldnt say 90% of the people deserve to be hated...cuz if thats the case im probably not in that 10%...

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I use that 90% statistic a lot, but it's probably not fair. I'm just not a fan of the Hoboken social scene. I think almost all the bars suck (except Louise and Jerry's), and there are just so many more interesting options in Manhattan.

[keepitreal]

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I think almost all the bars suck (except Louise and Jerry's).

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lol buckhunter and bowling all day. from what i understand it seems like the people that flood hoboken bars arent even hobokeners they are other jersey people. so that explains it.

[slickpoppa]

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there are a lot of friggin hobokeners in OOT its kinda scary. all i know is im 5 minutes from qdoba/panera so life cant be that bad. and i wouldnt say 90% of the people deserve to be hated...cuz if thats the case im probably not in that 10%...

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I use that 90% statistic a lot, but it's probably not fair. I'm just not a fan of the Hoboken social scene. I think almost all the bars suck (except Louise and Jerry's), and there are just so many more interesting options in Manhattan.

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When you say better options, are you referring to clubs and/or lounges? What are some places you like? I agree with you that there are a lot of d-bags in Hoboken bars, but there seem to be d-bags in all general admission bars.

[solids]

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Have you ever been to any of the bars near the train station? Hobson's Choice, Texas Arizona, etc? That should be enough to understand what is meant by fraternity graveyard. I like Hoboken for it's location and the fact that it's relatively quiet, but for a social scene, it's almost always Manhattan. I just don't want to spend my time with a bunch of meatheads.


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Classifying the entire Hoboken demographic by one block of bars if pretty ridiculous, especially considering that Hoboken has more bars per square mile than anywhere else in the country (160+ at last count). True, those bars you mention are Manhattanish and full of fist-pumpers and d-bags, but what do you expect? They are right next to the Path.

So try going to one of the other 150 bars in town. There are bars for every possible demographic: Irish Pubs, college bars, high-class lounge bars, dance clubs, sports bars, live music bars, etc.

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I'm not sure what this is clarifying. My point was that even the "bad" neighborhoods are expensive now.

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My point was the fact that paying similar rent in these "bad" areas isn't that big of a deal, considering you will typically be in a much nicer/bigger apartment. Also, due to gentrification, these areas likely won't be considered "bad" in a few years anyway.

[otnemem]

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there are a lot of friggin hobokeners in OOT its kinda scary. all i know is im 5 minutes from qdoba/panera so life cant be that bad. and i wouldnt say 90% of the people deserve to be hated...cuz if thats the case im probably not in that 10%...

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I use that 90% statistic a lot, but it's probably not fair. I'm just not a fan of the Hoboken social scene. I think almost all the bars suck (except Louise and Jerry's), and there are just so many more interesting options in Manhattan.

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When you say better options, are you referring to clubs and/or lounges? What are some places you like? I agree with you that there are a lot of d-bags in Hoboken bars, but there seem to be d-bags in all general admission bars.

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I don't really have a set type of place. I hate clubs. I like some lounges. Madame X is kind of cool on Houston Street. My favorite bar in the city is Makers on 3rd Ave. It's just your standard long bar with a pool table and seats. Holiday Cocktail Lounge is one of the few bars left in the city with real history.

I'm not saying it happens every day, but I do see a lot more needless aggression in Hoboken than in NYC.

[howzit]

most people who move to new york for the first time are broke. i certainly was and so were almost all my friends. (if we weren't broke when we got here, we certainly got broke early and often)

anyway, if you have even one friend to count on to get you started and help you get on your feet, i dont' see how you can say no to trying something out. and come on, there's hundreds of thousands of immigrants who move to new york whose financial situation has to be worse than yours.

also, if you could convince some manager to hire you behind the bar, you would kill it. your social life outside the bar could be epic.

trying to get a working visa is another matter. . .