turn spot of standardness! - 1/2 fr

[Befolder]

Grunch.

Easy Checky/McFold here.

I'm not even sure this is a marginal situation.

[JJack]

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I'm not the greatest player here, but I fold that hand PF. I only play A9 and below to steal the blinds. Im too tight?

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[KitCloudkicker]

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I'm not the greatest player here, but I fold that hand PF. I only play A9 and below to steal the blinds. Im too tight?

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for micro limits vs players who never fold prob not

although not completing the sb with A8o is pretty nitty.

[NIX]

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I'm not the greatest player here, but I fold that hand PF. I only play A9 and below to steal the blinds. Im too tight?

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Yeah, you're too tight, but it might be ok if you're not that confident postflop.

This is assuming you're in the SB and the limper is limping the top 30% of the hands, minus AK and JJ+:

16,928,858 games 18.593 secs 910,496 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.184% 34.44% 02.75% 5829526 465349.00 { JJ-55, AQs-A2s, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AQo-A7o, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 34.426% 31.36% 03.07% 5308949 518970.50 { A8o }
Hand 2: 28.390% 27.29% 01.10% 4620110 185954.50 { random }


This is assuming he's limping the top 50% minus the same:
16,918,345 games 18.203 secs 929,426 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.883% 30.51% 02.37% 5162106 401087.00 { TT-33, AQs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AQo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 37.645% 34.89% 02.76% 5902709 466257.50 { A8o }
Hand 2: 29.472% 28.25% 01.22% 4779332 206854.50 { random }


And this is assuming you're on the button with A8:
17,609,235 games 18.766 secs 938,358 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.124% 38.18% 01.95% 6722780 342742.83 { A8o }
Hand 1: 29.977% 28.56% 01.41% 5029791 248851.83 { random }
Hand 2: 29.899% 28.39% 01.51% 4999507 265562.33 { random }



In BBB's spot, raising is close, but not horrible, since we don't have a read on the limper, but he will be OOP in a probable threeway pot. Babar definitely has the equity to at least complete though. If you're on the button and are debating stealing with A8, it should be standard because your hand is just too good against random hands, plus you'll have position.

[aK13]

I usually just complete SB but yes, check and probably fold.

[steve1127]

grunch.

With no read on the mp, I don't raise in the first place oop, esp since the BB won't fold, probably. I don't want to end up trying to bluff the unbluffable with a bad A oop the rest of the hand.

EDIT: Once I'm in this situation, I check the turn, praying for everyone else to check behind, but ready to grudgingly fold if there's a bet.

[CrMenace]

*grunch*

Both villains called a reasonably dry flop which gives some indication one of them hit something. J also increases hit likelihood of two randoms, plus if they did hit flop J is likely to help. Also, given that there is two of them, a turn bet is that much less likely to chase them both away. So these factors argue against leading the turn. If you had said these were call-any-flop-type guys (and BB probably is), my answer would change. I do have an over and a gutter, so I would likely call for one and fold for two on the turn if I'm getting 8:1

Given that I don't know much about villains' aggression except BB pfr of 9%, on the River:
-- If no one bet the turn, I would lead any A or T and check the rest (calling but not overcalling for one)
-- If BB bet the turn, I'd probably c/r any T, lead any A and c/f the rest.
-- If MP2 bet the turn, I would lead any A or T and c/c the rest.

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