What to people have against Razz?

[kutuz_off]

[ QUOTE ]
OP- Razz took a nose dive in 2003 after the WSOP broadcast because it was depicted as a game of bad beats that was excruciating.

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe it was 2004 broadcast with TJ Cloutier winning it against Dutch Boyd and Howard Lederer. My favorite WSOP telecast ever.

I never understood one hand there where TJ and Howard as 1st and 2nd stack both knew they had same hands, and yet it went capped on 5th. It was just increasing variance while there was a third player still in the tournament.

[SteelWheel]

I kind of like Razz--but then again, I also like triple draw, hi/lo stud, etc. However, it is true that a razz game at a given limit will tend to play a little bit smaller than a stud game at the same limit--after all, everyone is sort of aiming at the same pool of low cards. It's not like stud, where one player is on a high pair trying to make two pair or trips, while a second is trying to catch middle-ish cards to fill his straight, while the third is attempting to catch diamonds for a flush. So it's understandable that the game is a bit "drier" and will tend to play a bit smaller.

A few years back, when the Series was still at Binion's, the live razz games would sometimes be played with a "high card brings it in, low card must raise" rule. This created a fair bit more action, and was a lot of fun. This structure created many situations where the guy with the open King on 3rd would feel stiffed in and would chase--more multiway pots. Good stuff.

I hear that Casino Arizona also used to spread razz with this structure--don't know if that's still the case.

[Al Mirpuri]

[ QUOTE ]
A few years back, when the Series was still at Binion's, the live razz games would sometimes be played with a "high card brings it in, low card must raise" rule. This created a fair bit more action, and was a lot of fun. This structure created many situations where the guy with the open King on 3rd would feel stiffed in and would chase--more multiway pots. Good stuff.

I hear that Casino Arizona also used to spread razz with this structure--don't know if that's still the case.

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting rule. If there is a raise before it gets to the small card does the small card still have to raise or is it allowed to fold/call/raise?

[SteelWheel]

Generally, the rule in stud games like this, where there is some kind of forced raise structure, is that players "in-between" are not allowed to raise until after the forced raise has been made in turn. You just call the bring-in, and wait for the forced raise--when it gets back to you, you can stick in your raise at that point.

[Al Mirpuri]

[ QUOTE ]
Generally, the rule in stud games like this, where there is some kind of forced raise structure, is that players "in-between" are not allowed to raise until after the forced raise has been made in turn. You just call the bring-in, and wait for the forced raise--when it gets back to you, you can stick in your raise at that point.

[/ QUOTE ]

The rule gets even more interesting. Thanks for the reply.