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Old 02-15-2007, 06:07 PM
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Not betting turn is a big mistake. You have a monster blind vs blind. Flat calling river is fine.
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:31 PM
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This statement is unequivocally wrong.
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:43 PM
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Turn bet = +0.5 BB easily (assuming you call down a checkraise every time)
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:54 PM
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few things in poker, and life, are black & white. this hand is surely one of those things that is very gray. i'm not sure what poker experience you have, but this comment makes me think you just started playing the .1/.2 at party.
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Old 02-15-2007, 07:38 PM
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Checking behind the turn = +0.6 EV easily (assuming you call down the river bet everytime).
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Old 02-15-2007, 07:47 PM
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Bet/3-betting the turn = +0.7 EV easily (assuming you fold to a cap everytime).
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:36 PM
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I still think it's by far correct to bet the turn. He limped, which makes 77 a7 and a4 unlikely, 44 a little more probable but still unlikely. It's possible he has something like 74s, of which there are two combinations, or he has something like 65h or 7hXh, of which far more combinations are likely than 74s. I know he capped the flop, but it's A742, what could he have that beats you that he would play in that manner? When people open limp-call the sb preflop, it usually means small or mid suited cards.

The flush card didn't hit, so I don't see why he wouldn't check. He capped the flop when he had good equity, then is checking the turn because he realizes that you're not going anywhere, and if he bets there is the chance that he gets raised when he is a dog and is putting in money at bad odds.

It's also not true that most poker hands are not black and white. In middle limit holdem especially, most decisions are clear, it's people's emotions that give them shades of gray. Yes, you will get check raised some of the time and be faced with an ugly choice, yes he may have played AA like this. But it's more probable that he dropped behind in the hand when he didn't hit one of his outs, so it's still a clear bet.
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:42 PM
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Not betting turn is a big mistake.

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few things in poker, and life, are black & white. this hand is surely one of those things that is very gray. i'm not sure what poker experience you have, but this comment makes me think you just started playing the .1/.2 at party.

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lol berate the newb when he's wrong.
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:45 PM
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And I actually haven't played poker in two months, so maybe you're right and I am clueless.
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:57 PM
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jambony, this opponent does not play in a logical or reasonable fashion. look at his stats. hes not aggro preflop. these dudes limp with ato here. a7, a4, 44 are well within his range. you cant even discount 77.

still, most of these guys are not sophisticated enough to cap and then go for a cr. i think you can bet and fold to a cr.
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