The WSOP cards are marked.

[jjnidguy]

from cardplayer coverage of the omaha split event

Tue Jul 04 16:57:00 PDT 2006
New Decks
Andy Bloch just asked the floor if they could get 3 new decks for the 3 remaining tables. The floor has just announced thanks to Bloch the tables now are playing with new decks.

[kumarshah]

They should get brand new cards for the ME atleast [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[BaldEaglePkr]

They are using Copaq's not paper cards. Take a look at them next time you are there, Copaq is written all over it. I don't even think they paid for the cards... Since Copaq is advertising they are the "Official cards of the WSOP" so I am sure there was some deal cut.

BTW, all the cards were brand new out of the box just a week ago. And have never been machine shuffled. So you can be sure the marks are either manufacturer defects or intentional.

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I played 100/200 Badugi and triple draw mix games for the last three days and there were indeed a lot of nailed cards. But here's the thing: it was all the cards! I saw aces, 2s, 8s, kings, everything with a mark at one time or another. They just have a lot of used cards and they got stupid cheap paper ones so they are very noticeable. I didn't think anything shady was going on ever.

-DeathDonkey

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[52s]

This is a problem not just with the Copag WSOP cards, but with all Copag cards

(Damn straight I bolded that.)

I have a couple of set-ups of Copag and the material composition is different than that of a Kem or Gemaco or A-Plus card - Copag cards are rather flimsy and are VERY easy to mark just by accident, particularly if you squeeze hard when looking at your hole cards. You'll notice on a lot of marked Copag cards (actually, the 4s through 10s) that on the face side there's usually a white line going through one of the pips.

Here's an example:



The cards sold for home use have predominantly solid colored backs w/design, making it hard to locate the marking from that perspective.

However, the WSOP Copag cards have predominantly white backs (similar to how last year's cards looked), which would and should make the markings much easier to spot.

Really, there's a reason the Copags sell for cheap in retail - they're [censored].

[duma]

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This is a problem not just with the Copag WSOP cards, but with all Copag cards

(Damn straight I bolded that.)

I have a couple of set-ups of Copag and the material composition is different than that of a Kem or Gemaco or A-Plus card - Copag cards are rather flimsy and are VERY easy to mark just by accident, particularly if you squeeze hard when looking at your hole cards. You'll notice on a lot of marked Copag cards (actually, the 4s through 10s) that on the face side there's usually a white line going through one of the pips.

Here's an example:



The cards sold for home use have predominantly solid colored backs w/design, making it hard to locate the marking from that perspective.

However, the WSOP Copag cards have predominantly white backs (similar to how last year's cards looked), which would and should make the markings much easier to spot.

Really, there's a reason the Copags sell for cheap in retail - they're [censored].

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exactly true. i have had the same problems with Copags. you get what you pay for. add this to the many other reasons why Harrahs is considered a second rate casino company.

[rsk111]

Unfortunately, my game is not good enough to spend energy looking for marked cards. As it is, it is difficult enough to watch all of the other players, pay attention to the play of the hand and process/think about my observations between hands. When some of these things become more automatic for me, then I may shift my attention to looking for marks on cards.

So, here's my question:

Is there any specific way that anyone would recommend that I can protect my cards to prevent others from seeing any marks on them. Keep in mind any proposed method must expose the cards enough, so that no one can reasonably object that you are "hiding" you hand and they can't see if you have cards or have folded.

I realize that preventing people from seeing the marks on my cards only solves part of the problem, but it is something that I can easily add to my game.

[CardSharpCook]

people who mark cards watch the cards as they are flung from the dealer's hand. The best defense is really to just watch all the cards and point out when you see a bad one.

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people who mark cards watch the cards as they are flung from the dealer's hand. The best defense is really to just watch all the cards and point out when you see a bad one.

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That method doesn't work well in a lowball game (keep in mind the low cards seem to be marked), but its a valid method when looking for aces. I'm interested to see how this affects my game since I'll be playing lots of lowball.

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[Rhett]

If I notice someone seems to have marked a card during a hand, when should I alert a floorperson accusing them of cheating?

[Phntm]

DO NOT PLAY any lowball games with SKILLED cheats
You WILL lose your ass