($225) AQ played passively vs JohnnyBax

[ryanghall]

So you're putting him on a 3 barrel bluff here?

Ryan

[wiggs73]

Ryan,

I would have raised pre-flop, but post-flop is fine. The turn is a toss up, imo, as to whether or not you should call. Here's the thing. Against some donk, I'd be a lot more willing to put chips into the pot. You have to consider 2 things here. First, villain isn't a donk. I don't think he's leading worse than TPTK on 2 streets (he also led the flop into 3 people). Second thing to consider is that you just moved up to the $215s right and have never played any higher than that... so Bax doesn't know who you are presumably and probably doesn't assume you're solid and can get away from big hands. I don't know. I just don't see him playing Qx like this, or anything else that you're ahead of for that matter.

[wiggs73]

Pudge,

No. He is almost exclusively a tournament player, although he plays MTTs much more than SNGs.

[AMT]

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So you're putting him on a 3 barrel bluff here?

Ryan

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hes one of the only higher limit stars STTers that do it well. but also, having sweated bax A LOT, if you keep calling down its also possible that he was simply value-betting a worse hand, and i think this is the main argument vs bax for raising at some point in the hand.

[JohnnyBax]

Ryan,

Since you started the thread, you can be the one to tell me when you'd like me to post my HH.

Hopefully, you won't mind it in the raw Pokerstars format, as I hate being called a villain.


Bax

[illegit]

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Why are you all gung-ho about raising this flop?

There are no draws and it would turn things into a WA/WB situation. He's not calling a flop raise with any worse hands.

Ryan

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You're allowing him to blow you off your hand too often

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How often is he 3-barrel bluffing OOP in a limped 4-way pot? Not often i'd venture. How often is he value betting a worse hand this aggressively? Again, not often I'd venture. Postflop is fine.

[Pudge714]

Raise preflop.
Postflop think about it from villians perspective your hand doesn't look anything like AQ it looks like a much worse hand. Do you have any specific reads outside of the fact he is good? I was under the impression he is a cash game player he could just be screwing around in $225 sng.

[Austiger]

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Raise preflop.
Postflop think about it from villians perspective your hand doesn't look anything like AQ it looks like a much worse hand. Do you have any specific reads outside of the fact he is good? I was under the impression he is a cash game player he could just be screwing around in $225 sng.

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Hero's hand also looks like a slowplayed set.

[bluesbassman]

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Why are you all gung-ho about raising this flop?

There are no draws and it would turn things into a WA/WB situation. He's not calling a flop raise with any worse hands.

Ryan

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I don't understand this at all...

Unless you are trying to "trap" (are you?), don't you *want* him to either fold the worse hand so that you safely take the pot on the flop, or make him pay now to draw out on you? With TPTK on that flop, seems like things are likely only to become less favorable for your hand on subsequent streets, even with no obvious draws on the board.

[madbeetz]

I like limping the flop. Bax is not going to limp fold, and chip preservation is very important, I like limping behind best. I think I like a flop raise here, but like you said, its a wa/wb situation. My question is, what range do you put him on? He limped, so I am pretty lost.. I was thinking maybe 77-TT+(maybe 66?). I would think he would raise hands such as JJ+. although I dont really know how the 200s play. My guess would be he led his 9/TT on the flop, setted up on the turn/river, as he obviously wasnt afraid of the flop call. Maybe he flopped a set of 6's. I really cant think of any other hands.

That being said, I call the turn, and hope he shuts down on the river. The river is a fold. I think you played it well. I personally raise the flop though. gl


Edit: wowowow I misread this. Bax was the BB. He could have anything. My guess is 2 pair here, maybe a set. I think you are pretty far behind. His betting out into all of the limpers means he has something good, I raise, and fold to any further play. gl