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Old 12-02-2007, 12:22 AM
Jon_AK Jon_AK is offline
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Default Re: $5 MTT,final table bubble

this situation all depends on the table you're at... A $5 MTT has a wide range of players, all the way from the good thinking, good decision making player down to a total donk who just wants to bust out so they can go to bed.

Your main concern is the BB and how loose you have seen him call. Obviously you're in a horribly difficult spot to catch KJ considering your M combined with position. I liked the first posters reply of limping and seeing how the table reacts to your limp. If it is folded to the blinds, you then can easily push them off because you have just as much sway power as they do at this point after seeing a flop.

If i was in your position, and felt the table had been playing fairly tight, then I would have a nice shove and pray that I'm not dominated by AK or AJ if someone decideds to call. When deciding wether or not to shove, your M is more important than where u stand compared to average stack (with some exceptions when you have a huge stack and can make some really loose calls to eliminated a short stack).

and as far as prize payout, you need to be gunning for 1st at all times. Don't try to hang and squeak into top 10; This is a bad way of thinking that will hurt your ROI in the long run.

So ultimately, if it seems as though this table has been pretty quite... I would push all in. Also try to take note on the BB and think back if it seems as though people have been pushing on him a lot lately because if everyone folds to him and he's sittin there w/ Ax, he may just pull the trigger from a semi-tilt condition of being pushed around too much.

also, you are short handed so the blinds will be hiting u sooner and sooner so you need to be maximally aggressive at this stage of the tournament in order to stay alive/chip up for the final table. You may also see that everone else is thinking the same as you as far as payout structure; Exploit this and use it throughout every tournament you play.


So to sum it up:
1. your M=5
2. you catch KJs UTG
3. table is short handed
4. prize structure drop off/final table bubble is present
5. you have been playing tight ABC poker

I pull the trigger and shove... hope someone comes along to double me up, putting me in the position to take down the entire thing.... but that's just how I play [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:35 AM
sharkscopeaholic sharkscopeaholic is offline
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Default Re: $5 MTT,final table bubble

4500 is about to hit you but this isnt devastating, especially short handed, i would fold and put (shove) pressure on the two shorties when they get the blinds or if everyone folds to you when youre in sb i ususally push atc. If sb limps into you when youre the bb just push it in, atc. These two situations will happen alot at this point and they almost always fold, in my experience at least.
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Old 12-02-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: $5 MTT,final table bubble

Raise/folding with your stack size is definetly the worst option. Id just prolly fold unless the table was uber tight, which is usually not the case at the $5 tournaments.

Hamnegger made and interesting point about limping in, because i realized that its true that when someone limps in and has a shortstack im always a little bit worried that the he is limping with a high pair.

ok so here is what i think: fold>>>limp>>>>>>shove& gt;>>>>>>>>>>>&gt ;>>>raise/fold
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Old 12-02-2007, 03:10 AM
TPTK77 TPTK77 is offline
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Default Re: $5 MTT,final table bubble

Limp pf utg if your table has been playing passive preflop. if your table has been playing aggressively, I would just muck KJs. Your position is extremely poor, and when you do get called, you're usually an underdog, even to Ax.

If the players have been extremely passive because its the final table bubble, then that can be a case for shoving.

Limping is probably best here than shoving.
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Old 12-02-2007, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: $5 MTT,final table bubble

My initial reaction was fold,but I like Ham's suggestion of limping for all the reasons he mentioned. I do think though that if the table is super uber tight you can push here
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