like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK

[Rainclouds]

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lol I really hope some leveling is going on here.

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Is that aimed at me?

I was serious! Are you in the shoving camp?

The K is such a horrible card because it makes our hand look so much better but it really doesn't change a lot. If villian had a set he is raising flop or turn 90% of the time, same with 2pr. He's played this so so much like a FD that getting to SD cheap as possible has to be the best move. How often do you see a 0AF guy shove? Super rare, we all know the minraise is the king of all moves so bet $5, let him minraise or get trixy and make it $15 so we can get to SD cheap.

Am I being a total retard here?

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It was aimed partly at you and some of the other posters.

I won't call anyone a retard, but I do believe you are wrong [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The reason is that you don't know yet that villain shoves at the moment when you make your river decision, so you cannot base your action on that.

And if you somehow still think you are very much behind to his range, then c/f is still better than c/c, although I don't consider c/f a real option here. Who knows what the guy is slowplaying, he might even have a set. Villains do stupid things. I'm comfortable shoving it on the river, and file it under the coolers if he has a flush.

[Casper05]

shove river wtf