It Feels So Dirty To Want To Fold KK Preflop

[ikestoys]

if he's 4betting AK, he can 4bet QQ... its a squeeze situation...

good ssnl needed this thread tonight

[shpanko]

I see where you're going, but if he knows you're willing to get it in pf with AK then can't he 4-bet/call QQ?

[jk3a]

Here's a weighted range which includes 1/2 the AK combos and 1/3 of the QQ combos.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.663% 41.71% 03.95% 9284668 879812.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 54.337% 50.38% 03.95% 11215660 879812.00 { AA, KdKh, QcQd, QcQh, AdKd, AhKh, AcKd, AcKh }

[carrotsnake]

your ahead and theres money already in the pot ?

[jk3a]

I certainly can't argue that this isn't likely to be slightly +EV in general to shove. That's not the point I'm trying to make with this thread.

I'm trying to show 2 things.
1. It's possible that shoving is slightly -EV depending on how you weight his range.
2. It's VERY marginal even if it is "always" +ev.

[ikestoys]

wow! no one has thought of this before... there isn't thread after thread debunking what you are saying in the archives... people aren't taking you seriously because they can't think of the refutation, not that its been done over and over and over again.

[ikestoys]

btw, this is reminding me of how i fought against the 5/10 rule way back when. lol

[Golfdish]

whats the 5/10 rule?

[Double Eagle]

There are a lot more productive things you can use your brain for than cooking up scenarios where it might possibly be marginally correct to fold KK preflop.

[jk3a]

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wow! no one has thought of this before... there isn't thread after thread debunking what you are saying in the archives... people aren't taking you seriously because they can't think of the refutation, not that its been done over and over and over again.

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Nothing like a little self-righteous sarcasm. I'm not trying to pretend to be Christopher [censored] Columbus here. I just think it's semi-interesting and much closer than the avg. 2p2er would think.