Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[Crane]

Full Tilt Poker are nothing but a pack of hypocrites. Mike Matusow can use every profanity known to man, and it's fine. High rollers can have multiple accounts and it's fine. Full Tilt can confiscate funds with no redress and it's fine.

It's not fine. It's total BS. I don't care if she's guilty or not. Is the punishment total confiscation of funds for something that others have done? Don't think so.

That's what happens when you deal with offshore illegal sites. They don't have to follow any laws, there are no governing agencies, and they can take your money and tell you tough luck, which has happened to two friends of mine who play the horses on offshore accounts.

I wouldn't ever put a nickel into Full Tilt Poker.

[apefish]

This is another good example of why Stellar Wind is consistently one of the best posters on this site.
Even if you want to take issue with any particular point it's such a well thought out well written post.
I'm not going to bother wondering any more whether sal was botting or simply engaged in clear bad behavior of another sort at Full Tilt.
Either when combined with a misuse of the valuable forum we call the zoo is enough for me to stop caring.
That doesn't clear Full Tilt of what I believe are real and ongoing communication problems between them and their customers.
This thread focalized the debate on that issue, and I think we need to go forward with our thoughts on that while leaving sal and her case behind.

imo.

fwiw.


edited to add: I wasn't a regular in the zoo until some relatively short while ago, but holy hell Mike Haven is da man.

[LateNiteRush]

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I know I posted this before, but now with this update from Mike Haven,

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this is such incredibly bad thinking, and why Mike Haven shouldn't let his good name be used by FTP.

Mike Haven was just copying and pasting what the FTP consultant said to him.


If FTP wants to have a representative on these forums, they should employ one - and not sully Mike Haven's good name with their poor, poor, behaviour.

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And now I read Mike haven's post. All I can say is "wow". From now on, I will wait until all the evidence is laid before Mike Haven or the 2+2 community. I have lost faith in the human race, but I will say good job FTP for your investigation. Take care.

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But NO EVIDENCE has been laid before the 2+2 community!

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I think Mike Haven is the best mod on all of the 2+2 forums, so this is not ruining his name for me. I was just posting how I feel. Have a good evening...

[Mike Haven]

FTP has now agreed that I may release the following paragraph from the Consultant's e-mail. In my opinion, this is probably the most important factor in the entire saga, and had we been allowed to know this at a much earlier stage, this thread might have taken a totally different course:

"As you are probably aware, statistical profiling of the player suggested that a computer program was being used to make the playing decisions. What is not known to the public is that a completely separate analysis of physical action times has also been conducted, and that analysis has confirmed that the play was well outside the range of normal human behavior. This provides independent corroboration that an automated process was being used."

Whilst confirming that I could post the above, the Consultant added:

"On judging the balance of probabilities, I believe there is overwhelming evidence that pokergirl z was in direct violation of the site policies. It was found that she was not making decisions for herself, and she later admitted to that fact. The timing data independently verifies that her physical actions were outside the range of normal human behavior."

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R.I.P. sillysal

FTP seems like it has done a good job in catching a cheat. If only they could improve communication most people would be happy. Lets hope the petition prompts them to do so.

[davebreal]

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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it and disabled my innocent bot

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f'in jokers.

[Kraada]

Thanks Mike.

I've been following this from the start and I was seriously skeptical until your last post. I feel much better now. I was considering leaving Tilt in 2008 for Stars, but now I'm less inclined to.

K

[Quanah Parker]

Definitions of silly on the Web:

* cockamamie: ludicrous, foolish; ..."a silly idea";
* airheaded: lacking seriousness; given to frivolity;
* pathetic: inspiring scornful pity;
* a word used for misbehaving children; "don't be a silly"

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It was found that she was not making decisions for herself, and she later admitted to that fact.


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Did I miss something?

[MicroBob]

he's referring to their personal correspondance and evidently some sort of admission of something else being involved in decision-making. Perhaps something that she didn't think technically qualified as a bot but they did or something like that. Just speculation though.

obviously she didn't mention it in this thread and we have no idea what specifically she admitted to them privately.