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Matt Hasselbeck (Seneca Wallace) at Broncos |
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4 | 33.33% |
Chad Pennington at Packers |
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8 | 66.67% |
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll |
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[ QUOTE ] some people are saying "he might have JJ." oh, really? so he just called preflop, got a great flop/turn and just called? [/ QUOTE ] Miles, so forget about the fact that JJ would probably cap preflop. The above quote is YOURS. You are saying this is a great flop for JJ anyone would put in more action on an earlier street etc. etc. Then you go on to say: [ QUOTE ] i expect to see a ten play this way very often. i play a ten this way very often, in fact, and i know several other players who do the same. [/ QUOTE ] So you are drawing that big of a distinction between something like JTs and JJ here? Forget my argument about 3 betting the river entirely, this is like a brand new subject here. That is just crazy to me, I don't think you could be more wrong. How can you say JJ needs to raise postflop but JTs shouldn't. They are like the same hand on this board! -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] i think of calling with JJ+ preflop as a "disguise my hand" play and expect these hands to raise postflop on good boards. did he really just call with JJ preflop in order to call down a ten high board? no. did he call preflop with JT to call down a ten high board? sure. besides, there is a 5+% difference in equity between JT and JJ and ATo/KTs in the preflop 3-bettor's hand is going to go more bets thinking he has the nuts. they're similar hands, sure, but with JJ you'll only worry about 3 over pairs vs. 4 when you hold a ten. the main reason i discount JJ almost completely is the combination of pre and postflop action, so you telling me to ignore what i've stated about the preflop action is certainly going to make what i've said sound weird. but you mistunderstood my posts, i guess. |
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also please just drop the JJ conversation. we all know the guy never has JJ. my main point is a competent player should realize he has no edge to raise with 77-99 when the 3-bettor bets the river. so then 3-betting with QQ is dumb.
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I agree with you that raising 77-99 on this river is too thin (altho I think its actually a good raise against an agro player who will bet/call AQ/AK on the river.. they def exist).
However, he should also realize he clearly has the equity edge to raise a T before the river... So , clearly he has a hand that has some deception/FPS to it. So whats a more common mistake? From an agro player I think its raising 77-99 to a more passive TAG I think its not raising a T. Hence why the single AF/WTSD stats are the most important factor. |
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I have a noob question regarding pf. What are people 3 betting with in the sb against this utg raiser? 77+ ats+ ajo+ kqs+?
EDIT: just noticed its 5 handed so i added a few hands |
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I have a noob question regarding pf. What are people 3 betting with in the sb against this utg raiser? 77+ ats+ ajo+ kqs+? [/ QUOTE ] For me with an unknown BB: 55, A8s, ATo, KJs, KQo Tighten up with a loose BB of course |
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I am certainly not trying to rub anyones anus the wrong way here.
But where I come from I see the WA/WB line like once every 20k hands. Villain just doesnt have Tx here. I dont care how unrealistic it is for him to c/r/c 77, 88, 99, JJ, AK, AQ it is more unrealistic for him to have Tx. This spot is different simply because villain is an unknown as presented to me, and making the decision solely based on his stats I worry a helluva lot more about the rivered trips given his weakish TAG looking stats |
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I am certainly not trying to rub anyones anus the wrong way here. But where I come from I see the WA/WB line like once every 20k hands. Villain just doesnt have Tx here. I dont care how unrealistic it is for him to c/r/c 77, 88, 99, JJ, AK, AQ it is more unrealistic for him to have Tx. This spot is different simply because villain is an unknown as presented to me, and making the decision solely based on his stats I worry a helluva lot more about the rivered trips given his weakish TAG looking stats [/ QUOTE ] oink. I'm a 26/18/2.0 I will have Tx here about always. To think someone can't have Tx is just plain wrong. What's this guy's most likely hand? Tx or air. He is folding air and capping Tx. |
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So whats a more common mistake? From an agro player I think its raising 77-99 to a more passive TAG I think its not raising a T. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe like others that 77-99 is paying off? Yes, AK can bet/call. Bet/3? |
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Hence why the single AF/WTSD stats are the most important factor. [/ QUOTE ] Those stats are generally difficult to interpret and converge slowly. Look at this guy's w$sd--looks like he's running hot in JoeTall's sample and that's prob why his wsd is so high too. I'd much rather just recall a single hand where he raised thin on the river or have a general feeling he wants my chips more than other people's (which may very well be the case, i dunno). |
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