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11-23-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
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You have 50BB, trips and a straight flush draw. Folding would be hilariously bad. [/ QUOTE ] But, he's also on 4th street here, facing resistance on a card that is scary to villain as well on a very coordinated straight/flush board, possibly not even drawing to the best flush, possibly without the best trips, or even behind to a full house already. I don't really see why sticking it in would be so great here/why folding be so bad. Can you please explain Xorbie? 
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11-23-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
it would be a hilarious fold for sure... even better a fold and show. If I know he has the flush should I fold? That's my real question.
I mean I appear to be getting it in here with a monster but in fact it's a losing push longterm right (vs a known flush)? If I fold I still have 40+ BB or so.
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11-23-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
In position, to fold when against all but 3-4 hands you are drawing very, very live.. its just not good. A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Qx is the only hand that is really that bad for you here. Even against QJ you have 6 outs, obviously not a lot but against any flush/straight you are gold, and folding here against KQ would be a travesty. It's 50BB, this donk could have Q4:spades: here for all we know.
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11-23-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
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In position, to fold when against all but 3-4 hands you are drawing very, very live.. its just not good. A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Qx is the only hand that is really that bad for you here. Even against QJ you have 6 outs, obviously not a lot but against any flush/straight you are gold, and folding here against KQ would be a travesty. It's 50BB, this donk could have Q4:spades: here for all we know. [/ QUOTE ] He could have Q4s here? I thought it would be correct to toss this out of his range. Did I miss something in the original post that would lead us to believe he could be pushing this hard with a hand like Q4 of spades? Also, even if you are right that we are drawing live, which I definitely agree is the most likely scenario here by far, we are still a 60/40 underdog to a hand like 23d, 45d, etc. My only point was that it could be even worse than that. Where do we disagree Xorbie?
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#6
11-23-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
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11-23-2007, 01:33 PM
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Re: $10/$20 Plays itself or I donked it up?
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it would be a hilarious fold for sure... even better a fold and show. If I know he has the flush should I fold? That's my real question. I mean I appear to be getting it in here with a monster but in fact it's a losing push longterm right (vs a known flush)? If I fold I still have 40+ BB or so. [/ QUOTE ] This is a simple math question. Just pokerstove it, it should come out to about 60/40 in his favor if he already has a flush. Could be even worse if he has the AQ with the A of diamonds, obviously. Clearly, (i think) being a 60/40 underdog is not a good spot to get it in here.
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