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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
Grunch:
1. Here I'm not so sure about the C-bet. Based on opponent why not C/R or C/C? With a 4.4 AF he's going to bet it whatever he's got. I'd likely C/C all the way against a player like this, unless I spiked. 2. I dojn't like the UTG preflop raise. I'll c/f flop unles the pot comes back to me with a couple of bets. If I'm looking at 12-1 or so, it's wirth seeing the turn with your 4 clean outs. 3. I bet this turn. It would be a marginal call for any flush draw and he's not indicating strength. 4. Bet and fold to a raise on the Turn. Just as a general note, I've been paying attention to the number of absolutely appalling calls people make on the flor at 1/2. I'm talking 2 undercards, no straight draw, anything. For a lot of people the game only seems to matter when you reach the big bets, when they apply the fit or fold mantra. This is a wonderful thing. |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
hand 1 I cbet and call down cuz hes a maniac
hand 2 I check, possibly check/call the flop hand 3 I'd really like to see villains fold to turn bet % here... hand 4 I c bet.. probably fold turn UI since these guys look pretty tight |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
Please post more hands in one thread so the responses can become even shorter and less informative, something like this:
#1 c #2 c #3 f #4 c #5 r #6 c #7 b #8 x #9 r #10 killing spree #11 c #12 f #13 lolf #14 c #15 p #16 f #17 f |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
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PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls. Flop: (17.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, Hero ?? [/ QUOTE ] This is fine, call & see what the turn brings. If he's the type to try to bluff here it may be worth heading to SD. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] Check & see is ur best option here. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP1 calls. Flop: (5.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls. Turn: (3.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP1 checks, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] Flop is good, pretty much a standard flop cbet here. The turn is a little different however & becomes extremely player dependent. Against someone tricky or thinking player I tend to check behind & often call river UI if I feel he could bluff into me. The main reason is that I feel a tricky opponent is likely to semi-bluff that turn with all draws, in fact unless he does it a lot, it would be the best play for ur opponent if u r prone to b/f. Against someone who peels very light it is prolly best to bet the turn again. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls [/ QUOTE ] I like to bet here & hope I can get at least 1 of them to fold, both would be best! |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
What do you think is a good C-bet % ? I just got Holdem Manager and looked at my C-bet and it's WAAAY too high at 93% on the flop and 88% on the turn. I was thinking it should be probably around 80% on the flop and less on the turn. I am wondering if anyone has holdem manager what their C-bet stats are.
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
I honestly have no idea what a good c-bet percentage would be; I would expect, however, that it would be HIGHLY dependent on what stakes you play. If you play at nano stakes where pretty much every pot is multi-way, your c-bet percentage should be MUCH lower than at a stake where a lot of hands go heads up or 3way.
This is a rather stark contrast, but it's used to illustrate a point; your c-bet % will probably deviate from stake to stake. And it should. |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
Hand 1: Well-played. Pot is big enough to call down. He'll probably show Ax or 22-1010. There are enough Ax in his range to call down.
Hand 2: I'd probably bet this a little less than half the time. When you do bet the flop, I think you have to bet all the way since you have little showdown value (that's why I would only take that line half the time or so). You'd hate to check-check the river and someone take it down with A4. If you check, it's pretty much a white flag. Check/folding unless you improve, probably the best way to go most of the time. Hand 3: Like above, I think you have to continue betting and fold to a C/R. He'll make it obvious if he has a jack, and he probably would've donked the flop with a Q. I think I bet it down most the time, possibly check the river against certain opponents. Hand 4: This is well-played so far. 3-betting was the best option, and you hit a decent flop with lots of runner-runner outs and overs. You have some showdown-value, but you are out of position. The bad thing is that both of these guys are over-passive. They are definetly capable of calling down 55-1010 here which lowers your folding equity. On the flip side, they are also likely to check it down if they have Ax. Bet the flop, check a non A or K turn (since they're likely to check behind), same strategy on the river. All-in-all, these are all more or less fine. I replied to you in the other thread, and I'll say the same here. This kind of stuff (post-flop in raised pots) is best practiced in 6-max. Take a week for only 6-max or just make a few of your tables 6-max if you multitable. It's worth it. |
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
I hijacked hand 4 in another thread. Most people stop betting the turn. I totally disagree with that.
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Re: Stars 1/2 - Several cbet hands - to cbet or not to cbet?
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I hijacked hand 4 in another thread. Most people stop betting the turn. I totally disagree with that. [/ QUOTE ] You're up against a rock who limped from EP & called 2 more preflop, and a rock who raised another rock & called your 3bet. Both called the flop c-bet. What worse hands do they have? What better hands do they fold? |
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