Sicko Revisited

[MarkD]

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I find the idea of paying to go to a doctor to be ludicrous

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Everyone pays to go to the doctor.

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I know you are being facetious but whatever. You are wrong though.

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the idea of the government forcing you to pay for other people's healthcare who probably don't take care of themselves to be extremely disturbing if not a little wierd.

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fyp

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Helping people less fortunate then myself doesn't strike me as such a bad thing. I guess that's weird.

[Money2Burn]

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I know you are being facetious but whatever. You are wrong though.


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How am I wrong?

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Helping people less fortunate then myself doesn't strike me as such a bad thing. I guess that's weird.


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I agree, but that isn't what I'm talking about and paying for healthcare through taxation isn't even close to anything I would consider as a benevolent act do you disagree?

[GoodCallYouWin]

"But, logically my believe is that healtcare is a basic human right and should be available to everyone. "

Ahh yes, the infamous right to force other people to labour so you can have something for free. The right to impose slavery on others.

[MarkD]

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"But, logically my believe is that healtcare is a basic human right and should be available to everyone. "

Ahh yes, the infamous right to force other people to labour so you can have something for free. The right to impose slavery on others.

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Umm... lol?

[GoodCallYouWin]

You see nothing is actually 'free' so to get something for free you must steal from someone else.

[MarkD]

BCPVP,

"Does this only apply to doctors or should it apply to people who grow food, build homes, and pipe in water as well?"

I never said doctors shouldn't be paid. They should, and so should those others you are talking about. But, if I can't afford to eat or put a roof over my head the state should provide for my basic human rights. That doesn't mean that the people doing the work won't get compensated for it.

Money,

You are wrong because there are many people in Canada who do not have jobs, can not work due to medical illness or some other such reason, and all of these people get healthcare. They do not pay. I pay for them. Therefor, not everyone pays to go to the doctor.

As to your other point I am not sure what you are talking about then. I do disagree that healthcare through taxation is not benevolent. It appears quite benevolent to me as it really seems to be the only way I can imagine where people less fortunate than myself, or yourself, will receive adequate treatment. I'm under the impression that the system in the US really doesn't work very well for the poor.

[Copernicus]

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BCPVP,

"Does this only apply to doctors or should it apply to people who grow food, build homes, and pipe in water as well?"

I never said doctors shouldn't be paid. They should, and so should those others you are talking about. But, if I can't afford to eat or put a roof over my head the state should provide for my basic human rights. That doesn't mean that the people doing the work won't get compensated for it.

Money,

You are wrong because there are many people in Canada who do not have jobs, can not work due to medical illness or some other such reason, and all of these people get healthcare. They do not pay. I pay for them. Therefor, not everyone pays to go to the doctor.

As to your other point I am not sure what you are talking about then. I do disagree that healthcare through taxation is not benevolent. It appears quite benevolent to me as it really seems to be the only way I can imagine where people less fortunate than myself, or yourself, will receive adequate treatment. I'm under the impression that the system in the US really doesn't work very well for the poor.

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Doesnt work well in what respect? Anyone in the US who NEEDS healthcare gets it. Just because they don't have a card with a number on it doesnt mean they don't get treated.

[mrick]

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Anyone in the US who NEEDS healthcare gets it. Just because they don't have a card with a number on it doesnt mean they don't get treated.

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I suppose all that stuff which pops up when I google is communist propaganda then...

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WASHINGTON POST :

When Abdul Karim Chowdhury, 89, and his wife Zahida Banoo, 75, arrived from Bangladesh more than two years ago, they thought medical care would be easy to find. But, Chowdhury said, "Our perceptions changed." Not eligible for Medicare or other assistance, he said they often had to set aside their pride and plead for reduced medical fees -- until they started visiting the [free, Muslim-set up] clinic.

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USA TODAY : As the Houston area struggles to deal with a rising tide of uninsured, it offers a lesson for the nation: Let the problem get out of hand — to a point where nearly 1 in 3 people have no coverage — and you won't just have a less healthy population. You'll have an overwhelmed health care system.

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SCIENCE.BLOG :
National surveys reflect a growing perception that the United States' uninsured can obtain proper health care through various "safety net" facilities. Not true says a study led by Harvard Medical School researchers.



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[Copernicus]

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Anyone in the US who NEEDS healthcare gets it. Just because they don't have a card with a number on it doesnt mean they don't get treated.

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I suppose all that stuff which pops up when I google is communist propaganda then...

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WASHINGTON POST :

When Abdul Karim Chowdhury, 89, and his wife Zahida Banoo, 75, arrived from Bangladesh more than two years ago, they thought medical care would be easy to find. But, Chowdhury said, "Our perceptions changed." Not eligible for Medicare or other assistance, he said they often had to set aside their pride and plead for reduced medical fees -- until they started visiting the [free, Muslim-set up] clinic.

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USA TODAY : As the Houston area struggles to deal with a rising tide of uninsured, it offers a lesson for the nation: Let the problem get out of hand — to a point where nearly 1 in 3 people have no coverage — and you won't just have a less healthy population. You'll have an overwhelmed health care system.

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SCIENCE.BLOG :
National surveys reflect a growing perception that the United States' uninsured can obtain proper health care through various "safety net" facilities. Not true says a study led by Harvard Medical School researchers.



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I don't think you understand that there is a difference between "proper care" and "need". If you want "proper care" meaning mammograms and routine physicals, pay for it by cutting your big mac consumption by 2/3rds for a month. You'll be healthier all around.

[Money2Burn]

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You are wrong because there are many people in Canada who do not have jobs, can not work due to medical illness or some other such reason, and all of these people get healthcare. They do not pay. I pay for them. Therefor, not everyone pays to go to the doctor.


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You said "I find the idea of paying to go to a doctor to be ludicrous" this implies that you don't believe a doctor should be paid for his services. After reading your replies I believe that this wasn't your intention. However, even when someone who doesn't pay taxes (which I would bet is a very small percentage of the population) goes in to see the doctor the doctor is still being compensated. You seem to think that the doctor should be forced to treat every patient that walks through their doors because they have a "right" to health care. I think this is terrible because it amounts to slavery of medical doctors. There are no two ways about it in my mind.


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I do disagree that healthcare through taxation is not benevolent.

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It's not benevolent because you are forcing people to pay for it. It sin't a case of "I'm giving this money to help you out of the goodness of my heart." The government is saying "We are going to take this money, squander part of it then pay for other random people's health services and if you resist then you are going to jail."