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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
Eazy call. If he calls and outflops you that's just unlucky.
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
call and gamboool a little...
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
"58/37/2.5 lagtard"
I actually like the shove. Pre-flop there is so much random crap that makes up his range including - Small pairs that flop overs nearly always - Broadways like KJ or QT that miss well over 50% - A-rag thats going to miss a hell of a lot of flops. These lagtards get in with these hands light pre-flop but post flop they (sometimes) find the fold button? I think that the % of his range that calls the $13.45 isnt all that different from the range he calls a shove with. |
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
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I think that the % of his range that calls the $13.45 isnt all that different from the range he calls a shove with. [/ QUOTE ] Clearly wrong. Even the wildest player will be hesitant to cold-call 200BB with a mediocre hand. But as long as they have chips behind they will call with crap hands, getting bad odds. |
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
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Even the wildest player will be hesitant to cold-call 200BB with a mediocre hand. But as long as they have chips behind they will call with crap hands, getting bad odds. [/ QUOTE ] +1 |
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
Maybe at the higher levels but this is NL25 and these are special players.
Try to get in the head of a 58/37, they are a very different beast even from a 35/17. Why are they at a table? Same reason they play blackjack or roulette. I have seen Q8 and K3 arrr in from these donks. Im not shoving to make him fold or to cut down his odds (he is far enough behind as it is) Im shoving because I want him to call. What Im thinking here is the opposite of a "Stop & Go". You dont want to let your opponent off the hook by seeing that he has missed the flop. I dont think calling is all that bad but I really do think that shoving is the more +EV of the two. |
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Re: 25NL: I shove 200BB preflop! Standard?
How can shoving have a greater +EV then just calling. I mean, what is he going to call with? I think this is wrong thinking. Yes, he will outflop you occasionaly, but he will also call your all in flop bet with a wide range. If he beats you, so what. The goal is not to win the pot, but rather to make the most +EV decision.
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