50NL KK faces flopshove

[billip62]

I'll run it through pokerstove, any suggestions on the range?

[billip62]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.367% 69.24% 01.13% 385912 6291.50 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 29.633% 28.50% 01.13% 158875 6291.50 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J3s+, T4s+, 95s+, 85s+, 76s, A2o+, K4o+, Q6o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o }

I ran with a standard top 56% of hands with a slight bias to include 22 and factor out some of the really raggy suited connectors.

[jackatwork]

Just because his preflop range is 56%, doesn't mean his range after he shoves is. I'd say you're looking at 77+, AhTh, J9 or two pair

[billip62]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

224,730 games 0.015 secs 14,982,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 8h 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.436% 58.12% 01.32% 130603 2967.50 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 40.564% 39.24% 01.32% 88192 2967.50 { AA, KcKs, QQ-77, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Qh2h, JhTh, Jh9h, Jh8h, Jh7h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Jh2h, T9s, T7s-T2s, 9h8h, 9h7h, 9h6h, 9h5h, 9h4h, 9h3h, 9h2h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 8h5h, 8h4h, 8h3h, 8h2h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 7h4h, 7h3h, 7h2h, 6h5h, 6h3h, 6h2h, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo-A9o, KTo-K9o, T8o, 92o+ }


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556,380 games 0.031 secs 17,947,741 games/sec

Board: Ts 8h 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.116% 68.99% 01.13% 383847 6264.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 29.884% 28.76% 01.13% 160005 6264.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J3s+, T4s+, 95s+, 86s+, 8d5d, 8h5h, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K4o+, Q6o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o }


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557,370 games 0.062 secs 8,989,838 games/sec

Board: Ts 8h 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.367% 69.24% 01.13% 385912 6291.50 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 29.633% 28.50% 01.13% 158875 6291.50 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J3s+, T4s+, 95s+, 85s+, 76s, A2o+, K4o+, Q6o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o }

I think this is more representative of his range to shove.

[Upgrade_U]

I would just like to say that the guy before me should REALLY thing about players ranges before doing any more stoving.
And fold that flop, villain prob has a 2pair combination.

[samp15555]

he probally have j 9 on 77 so i would flod

[ADK]

you either love this or hate it, depends how bad a player he is and other factors. its an ugly spot.. im leaning towards folding, but i wouldnt rule calling out either cause ive seen so many retards with similar stats do this with bottom pair, draws, top pair, etc etc etc specially at these stakes...

[Babalatexi]

I fold, his small flop bet combined with shoving just looks too bad and more often than not these 50+ heroes don't know how to play combodraws so his range is polarized towards strong hands. When I think about it, I would very rarely fold kings here but I think now is the time to do it.

[billip62]

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I would just like to say that the guy before me should REALLY thing about players ranges before doing any more stoving.
And fold that flop, villain prob has a 2pair combination.

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lol nice, I'm working on it

new to stoving!

[udbrky]

What's his PFR Call %? Ever since I read Pokey's HUD article, I revamped my HUD and love it.

Just because he limps 56% doesn't mean he's calling Preflop raises 56%. I try to get a rough idea of their 3-bet range by looking at the % of their limps they raise, and use that % to estimate what range they're 3-betting.

I'd guess his calling PFR to be more like 25%:

66+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo

You're 69% against that range. BUT, that doesn't mean you have that much equity against the range he's shoving here.

He didn't re-raise PF, so he probably doesn't have QQ-AA. If he has JJ-77, you're only 44%. You're 54% against AhQh.

If his range is:

JJ-66,Ah2h,J9s,8d7d,J9o,

You're 34%.

If you throw in AT, you're up to 41%.

I'd look at his WTSD % and Won at SD % to see what he goes to war with, as well as what he calls PFR with to narrow down his calling range and his shoving range.