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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
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C, he's a horse of mine so I am more likely to play tighter vs him in the bb [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure playing differently against someone because you own a piece of their action is a serious faux-pas. |
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
when i figured out a calling range last night it was like.. almost exactly the same as DJK's. Think I left out J4s and 89o but other than that it was the same. folding 44-22 here would be really bad imo.
edit: also, folding any ace.... wtf people???? |
#53
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
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[ QUOTE ] 55+, A7+, K8+, QJ. If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things. Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that. I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel. [/ QUOTE ] I once heard from someone that "less than 1% of 1% of players can fold when they are a 55/45", I am pretty sure that folding 44 here at these odds is a bigger mistake. [/ QUOTE ] Not if you think that shaun's range is as tight as I think it probably was, depending on game dynamics. |
#54
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
Shaun,
The fact that you have been playing tight is pretty irrelvant, it is very relevant vs. an unknown, but versus you it should probably be a reason to call wider since you have a tight image and are capable of exploiting it. Also irt to c ZOMG COLLUSION Gobbo, I know it is just a rough range, but not factoring in suitedness is really bad against 100% A2s = A6o. Also it's pretty tough to find range where K8o> QTs |
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 55+, A7+, K8+, QJ. If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things. Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that. I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel. [/ QUOTE ] I once heard from someone that "less than 1% of 1% of players can fold when they are a 55/45", I am pretty sure that folding 44 here at these odds is a bigger mistake. [/ QUOTE ] Not if you think that shaun's range is as tight as I think it probably was, depending on game dynamics. [/ QUOTE ] If i had to say shaun shoves too tight, or too loose.... i'd definitely lean towards too loose. |
#56
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
i think i could be convinced to fold a lot of the J high hands that only have like 42-43% equity... but A2o should have almost 50% here, and that would be reallly bad, imo.
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#57
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
<3 how everyone is way too absurdly tight at M of 4 and less and will continue to make all my money from that fact alone considering I actually suck at actual poker.
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
Shaun pushes too wide.
I like to call too wide. |
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
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55+, A7+, K8+, QJ. If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things. Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that. I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel. [/ QUOTE ] This range is cEV neutral if Shaun is pushing the top 7.5% of hands. I think most people in this thread think he's pushing closer to 75% than 7.5%. I'll pass up a marginal spot for 1/2 my stack for the reasons you stated, but A2o isn't marginal here IMO. |
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Re: 2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun
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[ QUOTE ] C, he's a horse of mine so I am more likely to play tighter vs him in the bb [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure playing differently against someone because you own a piece of their action is a serious faux-pas. [/ QUOTE ] yeah seriously, wtf? Also, I think I tend to fold too much in these spots, thanks (djk in particular) for the posts. |
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