***Official November Chat Thread: The Golden Duck***

[GrandMelon]

seriously how am i supposed to win


Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $495.10
BB: $422.75
UTG: $318.70
UTG+1: $70.60
UTG+2: $395
MP1: $273.50
Hero (MP2): $537.50
CO: $473
BTN: $356.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $16, SB calls $14, BB folds

Flop: ($52) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $36</font>, BTN calls $36, SB folds

Turn: ($124) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $72</font>, BTN calls $72

River: ($268) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $413.50 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $232.10 and is All-In

Results: $732.20 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$356.10 NET)
BTN showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Ace to Five) and WON $729.20 (+$373.10 NET)

[mab812]

GM - i know that you're one of the better players in this forum from what i have read and heard, but isnt' that river shove a big leak?

I guess you weren't goign to be laying that hand down anyways, so if you're going to lose a pot, you're going to at least value bet any idiot with something like 10/10, j/j here?

comments would be appreciated as I'm trying to improve my game (so my thoughts might be garbage, but i would appreciate any feedback and insights)

[mab812]

or correcting myself - do you put your opponent on Ax - and you're valuing the *&amp;*(@% out of him?

[SABR42]

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GM - i know that you're one of the better players in this forum from what i have read and heard, but isnt' that river shove a big leak?

I guess you weren't goign to be laying that hand down anyways, so if you're going to lose a pot, you're going to at least value bet any idiot with something like 10/10, j/j here?

comments would be appreciated as I'm trying to improve my game (so my thoughts might be garbage, but i would appreciate any feedback and insights)

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That river shove is sooooo standard. He will call with lower sets, two pair, and sometimes just A-x.

[NT=TOOLBOX]

so standard its not even funny that you asked that (even though it really is)

[GrandMelon]

the villain was gl79, an 11/7 setmining mega nit which made it more shocking. i obviously berated him in the chat after the hand

[iponnet]

just ran like [censored] again kk vs AA twice, set under set, AK&lt;AJ all in on A23 flp and lots of other usual crap and then this [censored] happens, I guess I should be happy he didnt have a set.....

Poker Stars, $1/$2 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $215.40
MP1: $193.80
MP2: $453.80
CO: $128.15
BTN: $237.25
SB: $172.30
Hero (BB): $302.50
UTG: $197

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $4</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $4</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.40</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $42.80</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $139.80</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $236.80</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $298.50 and is All-In</font>, MP2 calls $61.70

Turn: ($609) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($609) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $609 Pot ($3 Rake)
MP2 showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a straight, Four to Eight) and WON $303 (+$0.50 NET)
Hero showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a straight, Four to Eight) and WON $303 (+$0.50 NET)

[bottomset]

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the villain was gl79, an 11/7 setmining mega nit which made it more shocking. i obviously berated him in the chat after the hand

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I don't think his play is unreasonable at all

[mab812]

i'm on crack - for some reason i was thinking of that play with only AA ( didn't flop top set)... would you still play it the way you did GM?

I play lower levels 25 to 100 NL and was wondering what your line would be if it was only AA, not AAA (misread) so yes, standard shove in this case - i totally blanked and was thinking about AA hands like this where I had my big bets called on the flop and turn.

[Johnes Benjamin]

Something about this preflop seemed suspicious. Just too easy. Oh I see, you were trapping knowing I run like [censored], got it.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $27.10
BTN: $9
SB: $51.20
BB: $37.80
UTG: $57.05
UTG+1: $57.30
Hero (MP1): $50
MP2: $29.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $27.10 and is All-In</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $25.10

Flop: ($54.95) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($54.95) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($54.95) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $54.95 Pot ($2.70 Rake)
CO showed K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $52.25 (+$25.15 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$27.10 NET)