am i a donkey?

[betgo]

Incidently, this is an absolutely awful situation to 3-bet preflop. I don't know why you were contemplating it. Flat calling is much better.

[Paul Thomson]

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Incidently, this is an absolutely awful situation to 3-bet preflop. I don't know why you were contemplating it. Flat calling is much better.

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well it's 6max so peoples utg ranges should be looser and given the stack sizes i think i can put alot of pressure on villains post flop even if i don't hit. plus i'm a cash donkey.

i figure it really comes down to UTGs opening range. even though it's six max, i decided to assume that it was relatively tight until i found out otherwise. but if it was relatively wide than i prefer 3-betting.

[registrar]

What's the plan for the turn?

[Paul Thomson]

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What's the plan for the turn?

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Well I was hoping that UTG would raise to around 40bb, MP would call, and I'd push to 150bb...

And if that didn't happen, the plan for the turn was to donk the turn on any card except possibly an 8 or 3. I figure this gives the Villain an opportunity to bluff raise me, given my weird line and doesn't get the turn checked behind. thoughts?

[registrar]

Check-calling OOP with the PFR to act behind looks pretty strong and narrows your range a ton on a rainbow flop to the extent that a ton of turn cards are going to make getting paid really hard. Coming out firing into a three-way turn is also going to look pretty strong. It's an interesting spot, because pretty much everything you so on this flop, four-way, looks pretty strong. In these situations, I like betting out, because that keeps my range widest, but I think when we check, PFR checks and MP bets, a check-raise doesn't look any stronger than a check-call but has the advantage of getting more chips into the middle more of the time. That said, getting your stack in good is going to be really hard the way the hand plays out. PFR is supposed to bet this flop if he's going to call bets and check calls, after all.

[Paul Thomson]

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Check-calling OOP with the PFR to act behind looks pretty strong and narrows your range a ton on a rainbow flop to the extent that a ton of turn cards are going to make getting paid really hard. Coming out firing into a three-way turn is also going to look pretty strong. It's an interesting spot, because pretty much everything you so on this flop, four-way, looks pretty strong. In these situations, I like betting out, because that keeps my range widest, but I think when we check, PFR checks and MP bets, a check-raise doesn't look any stronger than a check-call but has the advantage of getting more chips into the middle more of the time. That said, getting your stack in good is going to be really hard the way the hand plays out. PFR is supposed to bet this flop if he's going to call bets and check calls, after all.

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I thought about leading out but there's no way that UTG is going to raise as a bluff with a Villain behind. Leading might keep our range wide, but I think given that their are 4 people to the flop that it narrows it some.

I know that calling looks strong on this pretty dry flop, but I just didn't think Villain was going to come along with a weaker hand. I'm putting Villain on a hand like TJ or T9, maybe TA. or 78. But he's drawing very thin with most of his range.