I can't believe this forum exists

[rakemeplz]

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What I can tell you is:
* less than 10% of the cheating customers are using teaming
* collusion and multiaccounting is condemned by most of the botters too.

In fact, there was recently an opensource implementation which explicitely chosed as part of their project goals to not support teaming/collusion.

I personally would be happy if casinos did allowed botting but investigated much more seriously multiaccounting and collusion, as being the closest prerequisties for criminal activities (e.g. collusion is not only unfair advantage from game theory standpoint, but used for money laundrying)

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I'm tearing up over here. Sorry for all the hatin' bot guys.

[CAMEL1111]

If you are going to edit the title like you did just delete the thread.

Useless clutter.

[geormiet]

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How can they talk openly about this? This makes me sick to my stomach

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Edit/MH: Deleted direct link to cheater's site promoting bots. Please do not mention its name in these forums. Thanks.

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That's odd that you are removing this link - I am posting on a site where poker players who play and study poker hate bots. Their site promotes bots - I'm not directing people there with the intention of purchasing their software, but to inform poker players what is out there so we can be scared and possibly take action.

[MicroBob]

There are quite a few clever spammers out there who will come on here and say, "You should really be aware of this site that has cheaters on it. We need to learn all we can about these guys" and GASP...they are actually trying to PROMOTE that site.
Ohhhh, the horrors!!

I'm pretty sure that site has tried stuff like that a few times around here. Trying to 'generate discussion' about the situation when really they are mostly just trying to generate publicity and spam a little less obviously.

So I believe it has since become 2+2 policy to not allow that site to be mentioned because even the best intentioned of posts end up giving them undue publicity that most of us really don't want them to have.

Something like that anyway. Get it?

[indianaV8]

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Can I buy it, have it watch me play for a month, and then have it emulate my play? That would be mucho-sweet, and I would be ultimate supernova elite guy.

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Right now AFAIK no, but if you make pokerstars allow bots, next holiday I'll research and code this for you (for free, and as best as i can).

On a serious note: In fact this is a great artificial intelligence research problem.

[heater]

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How can they talk openly about this? This makes me sick to my stomach

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Edit/MH: Deleted direct link to cheater's site promoting bots. Please do not mention its name in these forums. Thanks.

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That's odd that you are removing this link - I am posting on a site where poker players who play and study poker hate bots. Their site promotes bots - I'm not directing people there with the intention of purchasing their software, but to inform poker players what is out there so we can be scared and possibly take action.

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That cheater's site has been around forever and it's been discussed many. many times here. I'm surprised that someone who has been here for more than a couple of months wasn't aware that it existed, tbh.

The site puts cookies on your HD that Party can pick up when they scan. They have banned people (allegedly) for this in the past. The link does more harm than good.

[StellarWind]

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I'm pretty sure that it isn't a standalone bot, it's simply a "shell" for someone who wants to make a bot. So the person who uses it needs to program how the bot plays, and the program makes it work. It probably comes with some simple predefined scripts that aren't good enough to beat any game, even nanolimits.

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Notice the marketing genius of this [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

If this bot was a finished product the buyers would hold the seller completely responsible when the bot lost. There would be endless hell to pay and it would be a totally thankless business to run.

Instead the buyer programs the bot. Then when he loses he tells himself 'just one more tweak' and I'll win. He's hooked forever and never focuses his disappointment on the crook who makes the whole farce possible.

Ironically these losing botters are stuck in the exact same sucker trap as many honest losing players. Beating the game is always around the corner but it never arrives.

[tuq]

I can't believe this forum exists either.