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400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
I am tag 22/17/3, never seen this guy b4, go$$$ip if you know, he has reraised me once before I folded.
I don't know if he expects me to fold since my hand looks a lot like TT-QQ maybe AK or if he expects me to call since my hand lokks like TT-QQ ????? Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (BTN): $440.55 SB: $210.15 BB: $400 UTG: $323.75 MP: $158.30 CO: $509.70 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $96</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $64 Flop: ($202) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $304 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???? |
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
If you are going to fold this flop, fold pre. By the way, put him on a 4-bet range pre and act accordingly - if you are ahead, all-in and else fold obviously.
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
how would you play it pf and flop ?
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
All-in pre-flop. Say he has a pretty tight RR range:
Hand 0: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 208782096 6203094.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ } Hand 1: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 220586148 6203094.00 { QQ } Even then it's +EV, ad in some bluffs and a couple of combos of TT and it's even more +EV. |
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
Looks fine to me.
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
I dont really mind sometimes just calling the 4bet in position, especially if he might bluff with A high when AK, AQ and the odd light 4bet misses the flop.
I dont do so to fold to a push when no overs flop though, so I call here as played. I think the flop overbet line is hard to interpret readless, at least I cant figure it out :-) I see some people overbet push AA/KK to make it look bluffier and some push as a bluff with AK. |
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
yea i think if we decide to go with it shove PF, otherwise i think we have to call this flop, he can do this with JJ+, i see people make this play way too often when they whiff with AK or AQ and want to put u to a tough decision. Its close but i think call is correct as shown by the odds above.
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
If we 5 bet shove pf don't we make JJ fold correctly and only keep AA KK and sometimes AK in the pot ?
Also it is a 4 bet not a 3 bet so I don't think JJ AQs or AQo TT are in his range |
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
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If we 5 bet shove pf don't we make JJ fold correctly and only keep AA KK and sometimes AK in the pot ? Also it is a 4 bet not a 3 bet so I don't think JJ AQs or AQo TT are in his range [/ QUOTE ] Hmm... I don't agree w/ that... however why did you call pre if you think his range is KK+ and AK? |
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Re: 400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop
i know this logic often sucks....but if i'm calling preflop then i'm calling on a flop like this.
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