We haven't won yet: latest (10/19) cliff's notes on AP scandal

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this guy was in aruba 2 weeks ago for the UB tournament decked out in UB gear the entire time.

[gumpzilla]

So I'm growing increasingly pessimistic about this.

Continuing to stonewall seems like basically the correct course of action for AP. I don't see how admission of a coverup of internal cheating can possibly be a good endgame for them. Most players, if they become aware of such a thing - and if Absolute makes the statement, that greatly increases the chances they become aware - are pretty likely to quit, especially casual players. Unlike good players exercising game selection, there probably isn't much tying them to any particular site, and so they're free to go their own way and probably will. Then this would drive away even the hardcore types (e.g. ikestoys) who would have continued risking to play there anyway.

So, let's assume AP sticks to their current level of "it's hackers and we're on top of this." Where is there progress to be made? It seems like some sort of external agency with actual teeth needs to get on it, at that point. The logical choice would be the auditors/KGC. But what if KGC decides not to do anything about it? Who can put the pressure on KGC? Since they seem to have a near monopoly on online poker, a generalized boycott wouldn't work (since it's clear that you can't even get that to happen for Absolute alone.) How bad do things have to be before Quebec police get in on it? The previous thread made it sound like they aren't likely to look too hard, either.

Basically, I guess my concern is that I don't think anything will start happening until the law gets involved, or at least until that's a very serious threat.

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this guy was in aruba 2 weeks ago for the UB tournament decked out in UB gear the entire time.

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Can anyone who has met Scott Tom tell us if this is him?

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this guy was in aruba 2 weeks ago for the UB tournament decked out in UB gear the entire time.

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Can anyone who has met Scott Tom tell us if this is him?

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why not ask the girl in pic about the name of the guy?

[pokerstudAA]

Someone shoot off an email to gambling911 and Jenny Woo. Lets see if we can get some more pictures from this visit and some identifying information on the people in the photos.

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All,

I have spoken to a few confidential sources today and, for the first time since this started, I was told a story that would make sense. Part of the story is that Scott Tom was not involved, at least not directly. However, the story also indicates VERY significant negligence on the part of AP's management, including Scott Tom. Management was alerted well before they admitted it publicly (but then again, we knew that much). However, it appears that management was not aware of the issue while the cheating itself was going on. In addition, the story I was told indicates that the geek/hacker "trying to prove a point" thing is not accurate.

While I am not 100% convinced of the above story, it actually makes a lot of sense and the pieces of evidence that I've seen have started to come together.

I am still awaiting the AP statement to see what they have to say.

-Nat

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All,

I have spoken to a few confidential sources today and, for the first time since this started, I was told a story that would make sense. Part of the story is that Scott Tom was not involved, at least not directly. However, the story also indicates VERY significant negligence on the part of AP's management, including Scott Tom. Management was alerted well before they admitted it publicly (but then again, we knew that much). However, it appears that management was not aware of the issue while the cheating itself was going on. In addition, the story I was told indicates that the geek/hacker "trying to prove a point" thing is not accurate.

While I am not 100% convinced of the above story, it actually makes a lot of sense and the pieces of evidence that I've seen have started to come together.

I am still awaiting the AP statement to see what they have to say.

-Nat

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If you allow them to make dozens of statements, shaking your head at each one along the way, it seems likely they'll eventually be able to craft a pleasing lie.

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All,

I have spoken to a few confidential sources today and, for the first time since this started, I was told a story that would make sense. Part of the story is that Scott Tom was not involved, at least not directly. However, the story also indicates VERY significant negligence on the part of AP's management, including Scott Tom. Management was alerted well before they admitted it publicly (but then again, we knew that much). However, it appears that management was not aware of the issue while the cheating itself was going on. In addition, the story I was told indicates that the geek/hacker "trying to prove a point" thing is not accurate.

While I am not 100% convinced of the above story, it actually makes a lot of sense and the pieces of evidence that I've seen have started to come together.

I am still awaiting the AP statement to see what they have to say.

-Nat

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If you allow them to make dozens of statements, shaking your head at each one along the way, it seems likely they'll eventually be able to craft a pleasing lie.

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if it's a lie, we'll just get 37 more emails from insiders about it since AP's not exactly a tight lipped community right now

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if it's a lie, we'll just get 37 more emails from insiders about it since AP's not exactly a tight lipped community right now

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That's great, but as I wrote before the full truth seems likely to be suicidal. If they come up with a good enough lie to convince most of the world, isn't that good enough for them? What's going to happen to them if they keep lying? When can the law get involved? If it can already, why isn't anybody looking that way?

[Propster]

What exactly would Scott Tom, or whoever accused in this thing, gain from not making a single comment to clear his/their name at least once? Is there one chance that Scott Tom isn't aware of what's is going on (about as likely as Potripper's run would be without cheating)?

If my name was plastered all over forums and the media, I would definetly come up with something to clear myself. Unless I was guilty of something very bad and knew I had no way out.