AK vs [censored] ratholer

[HonkDonk]

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lol

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Why lol?

With a shove or a cc you have only EV+ if you play vs. 2 high cards (or sc). But imo only a maniac would push that vs. a UTG-raiser with to more players behind.

So you may expect here ~90% 22-QQ and you are 45:55 = 1:1,22 behind (Some people say its a coinflip, i say you are behind).
your odds are 180:147 = 1,22.
So what?

In ~10% (its imho a lot) you are in front vs BTN (2 high cards, sc) ~ 60:40
[(60*180 - 40* 147)/100] * 10% = + $4,9

Vs AA/KK from Button you are Behind a lot 8 (i forget it) .

If you shove you get calls only from pp`s (AK) and you are behind again ($594)1:1,22 (i forget it).

Maybe ~2% (its not a lot) you will see AA/KK from BB or UTG and you are 18,5 : 81,5 behind ($594)

= [(18,5*771 - 81,5*594)/100]* 2% = - $9,5

So imo (it was only a very fast calculation !!)

A shove is here ~~~~~~~~ $4,9 - $9,5 = -$4,6

i would fold.

[74o_Clownsuit]

Wait wtf folding lol???

I don't think shoving is that bad but it sucks [censored] when someone behind us wakes up with aces or kings. I don't mind just cold-calling because it looks pretty strong, and it might cause UTG to fold a hand that has decent equity against AK.)

[Roy Gonzo]

Standard Fistpump and Shove!

If you get called by AA or KK you can still draw to TWO flushes...

Seriously, I don't like cold-calling here because if
a) UTG shoves you'll probably fold
b) UTG calls you have a tough decision on most flops, playing OOP with Ace High
c) it invites more players into a protected pot

Shove > Call > Fold

I would also shove with AQo btw.

[john kane]

shove. i couldnt ever imagine folding this. if any maths proves it marginal, then the more aggressive option is always better imo.

[Mary59]

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shove. i couldnt ever imagine folding this. if any maths proves it marginal, then the more aggressive option is always better imo.

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There is no way that you can say he has a PP 90% of the time, especially vs a 25/20 opener. If you factor in just a few more random hands then the play becomes +EV.

[ttgirl]

is the op a level or something?

[tubasteve]

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fold

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lol

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Why lol?

With a shove or a cc you have only EV+ if you play vs. 2 high cards (or sc). But imo only a maniac would push that vs. a UTG-raiser with to more players behind.

So you may expect here ~90% 22-QQ and you are 45:55 = 1:1,22 behind (Some people say its a coinflip, i say you are behind).
your odds are 180:147 = 1,22.
So what?

In ~10% (its imho a lot) you are in front vs BTN (2 high cards, sc) ~ 60:40
[(60*180 - 40* 147)/100] * 10% = + $4,9

Vs AA/KK from Button you are Behind a lot 8 (i forget it) .

If you shove you get calls only from pp`s (AK) and you are behind again ($594)1:1,22 (i forget it).

Maybe ~2% (its not a lot) you will see AA/KK from BB or UTG and you are 18,5 : 81,5 behind ($594)

= [(18,5*771 - 81,5*594)/100]* 2% = - $9,5

So imo (it was only a very fast calculation !!)

A shove is here ~~~~~~~~ $4,9 - $9,5 = -$4,6

i would fold.

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i love when new posters don't realize regulars are leveling

[HonkDonk]

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i love when new posters don't realize regulars are leveling

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Its only my opinion - thats all


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folding is def not the best move, these 25 bb donks get it in with 44+ and KQ+

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the smalstack isnt the problem