Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600

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lol at biased hh's

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lol at you posting stupid [censored] like this without bothering to read jman write "Here's every hand that I won or lost >$10k in."

It's nice when good players post here. It's [censored] when people like you make ignorant comments in response.

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thank you sir i can read... now get a brain and learn to abstract

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anyways... sorry if offended anyone with the fact that i don't readily accept everything someone (be it someone with the admiration of 2+2 such as Jman) posts - esp. when they may be trying to prove they are +ev against someone, which the majority of this thread has disagreed with.

if the hh's are pure and it is ALL of them then thank you Jman for posting them

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Jman should like...make a cardrunners video or something

[Rushmore]

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That's not my point, my point is your opponents react differently to you when they have "momentum" in a HU match. This adds quite a bit more variance to the game at the very least, and at the most makes it much harder for you to win.

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.... in other words you play worse when you're losing. And your opponent plays better when he's winning. Right. Established. So by "disagree" you meant "agree 100% wholeheartedly".

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Wow, you're just not gonna lay off this point, huh?

I was impressed by Caby's point in the first place, and then even more impressed by the fact that the next guy (D Lizzle?) actually managed to state a really tough point even more eloquently.

It seems to me it's not a question of playing better or worse; it seems it's a question of the game changing so drastically that it's hardly the game you logged in to play in the first place.

It a tough point to make, and I think it's goofy to mock the guy for trying to make it.

For what it's worth, and objective person could understand your perspective, as well. I assume you're saying that if the game changes (momentum), a WCP ought to be able to adapt on the spot, and that it is part of the game.

Fair enough, but it seems to me that whatever it is that causes this shift is not really definable, and that if you are on the short end of the shift, mowing the lawn for an hour or two is not the worst idea in the world sometimes.

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This hand makes me think of Phil G's recent article about making hero calls, where he says the ones which work get all the attention and people forget the ones which didn't. I guess this was one of those ones which didn't work!

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Also, why does Bluff magazine search section doesn't have Phil Galfond as an author in the dropdown?

[Paul B.]

rematch going on now

[allstaryou]

Dealer: Hand #3733304960
Dealer: Phil Ivey posts the small blind of $300
Dealer: OMGClayAiken posts the big blind of $600
Dealer: Phil Ivey raises to $1,800
Dealer: OMGClayAiken raises to $6,400
Dealer: Phil Ivey calls $4,600
Dealer: The flop is [7d Ad 3s]
Dealer: OMGClayAiken checks
Dealer: Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Phil Ivey checks
Dealer: The turn is [9s]
Dealer: OMGClayAiken has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $8,400
Dealer: Phil Ivey calls $8,400
Dealer: The river is [Tc]
Dealer: OMGClayAiken has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $26,400
Dealer: Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Phil Ivey raises to $52,800
Dealer: OMGClayAiken calls $18,800, and is all in
Dealer: Uncalled bet of $7,600 returned to Phil Ivey
Dealer: Phil Ivey shows two pair, Aces and Tens
Dealer: OMGClayAiken shows three of a kind,
Nines
Dealer: OMGClayAiken wins the pot ($119,999.50)
with three of a kind, Nines

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In particular, his stop-loss strategy and tendency to buy in short means you're VERY unlikely to take him for a big score. He quits as soon as he starts to lose.

So why does anyone play him?

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You're right. Ivey has figured out a stop loss strategy that makes it -EV to play him. Unexploitable.

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If you're being ironic, I don't care.

The guy quits when he's down at most 100k , what you going to do? Your losses will be bigger than your wins.

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Stop loss strategy's are only good if you play worse when losing. There's no other benefit to them EV-wise.

Yes, I think I'm +EV vs. Ivey.

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your opponents will also play better when you are losing and they are winning too though.

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Full Tilt Poker Game #3733327690: Table Halbert (heads up) - $300/$600 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:27:47 ET - 2007/10/02
Seat 1: OMGClayAiken ($70,492)
Seat 2: Phil Ivey ($112,690)
Phil Ivey posts the small blind of $300
OMGClayAiken posts the big blind of $600
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey raises to $1,800
OMGClayAiken calls $1,200
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8c Th]
OMGClayAiken checks
Phil Ivey bets $2,400
OMGClayAiken calls $2,400
*** TURN *** [Ts 8c Th] [2c]
OMGClayAiken checks
Phil Ivey checks
*** RIVER *** [Ts 8c Th 2c] [7d]
OMGClayAiken checks
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey bets $6,600
OMGClayAiken has 15 seconds left to act
OMGClayAiken raises to $21,600
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey calls $15,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OMGClayAiken shows [3s 3c] two pair, Tens and Threes
Phil Ivey shows [Qh 7h] two pair, Tens and Sevens
Phil Ivey wins the pot ($51,599.50) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51,600 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ts 8c Th 2c 7d]
Seat 1: OMGClayAiken (big blind) showed [3s 3c] and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 2: Phil Ivey (small blind) showed [Qh 7h] and won ($51,599.50) with two pair, Tens and Sevens


OMGClayAiken: wow you own me
OMGClayAiken: nh
Phil Ivey: thx it goes both ways

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Match is gettin sick 2 tables of 60kNL