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Re: Poker After Dark thread (Week of 9/17 - Poker At Its Best)
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Yeah yeah yeah, discuss the hand all you want. No one on this board, I don't care who you are, is laying that hand down. Period. Some would call right away, some would think about it hard and then call, some would reraise allin, but NO ONE WILL FOLD. Not 5% of the players here, not 1% of the players here. NO ONE. Case closed. 6 handed tourney, winner takes all, you simply can't wait for the unbeatable nuts to call a raise on the river. Great discipline from Tuan for not raising over the top, but no one is folding. Sorry guys. Hindsight is always 20-20. [/ QUOTE ] Try not to speak on behalf of everyone in the world please. I must admit, when I first saw the hand I immediately thought it was quite good for Le not to push all-in there. But then I really thought about it and it's actually almost an easy fold if you rule out any A/10. So many here have said that there's no way Lederer would raise with any straight here (even A/10), therefore it's a simple fold. Afterwards, Lederer said that he would in fact not raise with A/10 there. So if we assume we know Lederer's game well (I must admit, I thought A/10 would have been in his range to raise, but maybe not that big of a raise) - and we also assume that there's no way he's not bluffing, then it's an easy fold. We can reasonably assume Lederer isn't bluffing for obvious reasons due to the hand's history but also because it's pretty well known that Tuan Le is one of, if not the, hardest player to bluff ever on the circuit at the moment (jokingly but earnestly so). One poster has also ruled out 9/9 to raise but I disagree. Let's break the hand down: 1/9, 11.1% (Pocket 9's) = Tuan should push all in, 2/9, 22.2% (K/9) = Tuan should Call, 2/3, 66.6% (K/Q and K/J) = Tuan should fold. The call represents a significant portion of his stack, 66.6% says I'm beat...simple fold (?) for someone who trusts their in-depth evaluation and would like to be at least a 75% favorite at showdown before calling significant a river bet/raise. Winner take all or not, I don't care - it's about the journey to become winner in this case, and folding is clearly correct according to this analysis. It's clear Lederer wouldn't raise with any king for obvious reasons but is it clear he can't have Q/Q? Early on in the episode he had been making the obvious re-raises with A/K and Aces and shown them...maybe he was pulling in a meta-game trying to change it up for the table by limping with a big pocket pair utg+1 after Lindgren limped in. I don't really buy it that much though, not someone like Howard, and the chance of it probably doesn't alter the analysis too much because of it being too slight. J/J would not have called the flop bet I can safely say...especially with Mizrachi and Hansen still to act. If, however you can safely put Lederer on A/10...it's an insta-all-in. In this case you would be around a 75% favorite in the hand based on this new range, and no way is Lederer folding this bet for 7k more if he's raising with the hand to begin with. |
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Re: Poker After Dark thread (Week of 9/17 - Poker At Its Best)
lol
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I wish we'd go back to different threads for each day of PAD. I dvr it and don't get to watch until the next evening.
Based on the promo at the end of ep2 it looks like Mizrachi is out. The camera kept shifting between Gus and DN and there seemed to be an empty area to Gus's right. If so then my pick is gone. |
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lol [/ QUOTE ] I just ignore him. |
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Is it just me, or is Mizrachi shockingly bad at short-stack play? There were a couple of moments which seemed like clear push-and-pray spots, but instead he kept letting himself get blinded out.
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Most shocking to me - I can't believe Vagisil is now a PAD sponsor in addition to HSP. How could they possibly think they're hitting their target audience?
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Is it just me, or is Mizrachi shockingly bad at short-stack play? There were a couple of moments which seemed like clear push-and-pray spots, but instead he kept letting himself get blinded out. [/ QUOTE ] I'm just glad the ice-crusher is gone. I guess we now know the real reason why he's called "The Grinder". |
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LOL!!!! NH
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Is it just me, or is Mizrachi shockingly bad at short-stack play? There were a couple of moments which seemed like clear push-and-pray spots, but instead he kept letting himself get blinded out. [/ QUOTE ] I'm just glad the ice-crusher is gone. I guess we now know the real reason why he's called "The Grinder". [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] lol [/ QUOTE ] I just ignore him. [/ QUOTE ] No way, Rottersod, you can't put Veil on ignore. I had considered it too, since he's an idiot, but then you'd miss out on some of his hilarious comments -- like the one in HSP where he was defending Jamie Gold against charges of arrogance, and said "A bird isn't arrogant for pointing out he can fly, and humans can't." L... O... L. |
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No way, Rottersod, you can't put Veil on ignore. I had considered it too, since he's an idiot, but then you'd miss out on some of his hilarious comments -- like the one in HSP where he was defending Jamie Gold against charges of arrogance, and said "A bird isn't arrogant for pointing out he can fly, and humans can't." L... O... L. [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but you're not too bright. My analogy just implied that you're not arrogant for speaking the truth. What's this I think Gold is better than everyone else? Wow, you need help in the intellect department, no offense. You really missed my obvious point. If a bird says he can fly, he's not being arrogant. Just like if Gold says he played good in the main event, he's not arrogant because he did play well, it's fact. Hopefully I explained it well enough to you so that a three-year-old can understand. |
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