NL100: SC flops 2pair - what now?

[Montezuma21]

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Id raise to about 50. Too many cards can come on the turn that'll give your opponent a tough decision to make if you just call the flop bet.

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FYP

[RocktheCasbah]

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Id raise to about 50. Too many cards can come on the turn that'll give your opponent a tough decision to make if you just call the flop bet.

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FYP

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yah. that's why calling this flop isnt out of the question IMO. If you call your opponent will surely put you on a PP 99-JJ or a draw.

If the turn brings a straight card you wont get any more action -v bad- but if turn bricks villain will bet and be committed. So if you think he can fold an overpair on flop this could be an alternative

Shoving flop may get a big hand to fold, and if you raise and get called opponent may shut down on turn unless he improves

[fitnessfreak]

calling on this flop is terrible. it should be pretty obvious why.

[RocktheCasbah]

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calling on this flop is terrible. it should be pretty obvious why.

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I wouldnt call it terrible. hero can shove flop and hope for a call. If hero riases flop and gets called and a straight card comes on turn the hand's dead anyway.

If villain has an overpair there are some scare cards that could hit on turn so that's one reason to shove, but if you call and a blank card comes IMO you are guaranteed his money.

Both ways aim to get all the money in, but sometimes shoving dont always work

[John49]

First you should get a little ribbed for raising this PF UTG and then calling the raise PF. This better be far from standard play. Too loose. Giving away too much w/ cards that aren't gonna hold up w/ 2 callers behind and you OOP. C'mon, now.

Calling flop is bad. You figure you gotta be ahead. Sides 89 and set, you're ahead. Raise, but don't push even though your money's going in later. Why? BECAUSE you're value betting here and you want him to call your reraise on the flop. If he beats you w/ 89 or set, ...55, then so goes it. That's called destiny.

[Womble]

I dont usually raise this PF but some do. I fold the the 3bet though unless he is 3betting light/only AA/KK.

You ahve to raise/call this flop

[fitnessfreak]

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calling on this flop is terrible. it should be pretty obvious why.

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I wouldnt call it terrible. hero can shove flop and hope for a call. If hero riases flop and gets called and a straight card comes on turn the hand's dead anyway.

If villain has an overpair there are some scare cards that could hit on turn so that's one reason to shove, but if you call and a blank card comes IMO you are guaranteed his money.

Both ways aim to get all the money in, but sometimes shoving dont always work

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your reasoning is pretty off here.

firstly, very few players at these limits are folding a decent overpair to a flop raise. so in that respect you are losing a heap of value by flat calling. the flop raise is for value and to swell the pot early to set up for a turn push. the simple fact is you have a chance to build a big pot on the flop and allow the villain to overcommit before an action killer turn card drops. a lot of villains will understand that this is a drawy flop and may decide to push an overpair on the flop to avoid a difficult turn decision, which is a great result. and if they just call they are pretty much committed anyway.


further, if the villain has a hand like TT or JJ then he could easily shut down on a lot of turn cards. so i think you are very far from being guaranteed his money of the turn appears to be a blank. even worse, he might hit a 2 or 4 outer and stack us. i mean if the turn is a 4 straight card and he bets out what are you going to do? it puts us in a terrible spot.

i cannot see any good reason behind just calling here. it should be obvious that this hand is way too weak to slowplay, and too much can go wrong.

so i stand by my eariler statement. calling the flop is terrible.

[Unknown Soldier]

agree with fitnessfreak