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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game. |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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[ QUOTE ] (Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game. [/ QUOTE ] Saying this without knowing how many players are at the table is pretty pointless and possibly even incorrect. |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] (Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game. [/ QUOTE ] Saying this without knowing how many players are at the table is pretty pointless and possibly even incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious. |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious. [/ QUOTE ] This is largely postflop expectation based, but I think a fold in a 10 handed game here is probably close to neutral EV, defintiely lower variance. My point was just that his statement was ill-formed. |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious. [/ QUOTE ] Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there? |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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[ QUOTE ] As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious. [/ QUOTE ] Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there? [/ QUOTE ] do you see the fallacy in your last statement. if you have an unusually loose table it is optimal to loosen up yourself. suppose everyone at your table played 100% their hands. would you tighten up? |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
Is raising KQo UTG 10-handed really considered spew? I fold if I've come in raising a lot or shown down some mediocre starting hands and raise if I haven't played a hand in a while. While if you are playing fast it may be a bit -EV UTG, I don't think its ever "spew."
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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Is raising KQo UTG 10-handed really considered spew? [/ QUOTE ] No, but one person said it was, so the next 10 replies had to agree with him. Preflop here is retardedly trivial and shouldn't even be looked at. The flop donk and lack of turn donk make absolutely no sense given the read on villain. In fact they make the exact opposite of sense. |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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[ QUOTE ] As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious. [/ QUOTE ] Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there? [/ QUOTE ] In this case there are two loose players and 5 others who play tight and passive. OP is the only tight aggressive player there. When I raise early with KQo in this type of game and I get re-raised by one of the tight passives then either I hit the flop hard or I am out of there. But what tends to happen where I play (Foxwoods 10/20) is I get AT and even AJ to fold behind me because the tight players won't play those hands to a raise. The loose players in the game tend to call two cold with almost anything in which case top pair usually wins. Add to that the number of hands I am playing against one or both both blinds where I end up with position, and I like this. But as HowMany said earlier it is a marginal decision either way. I do it partly because I hate folding all the time. On-line it was slightly -EV from early position and I only started doing it live after reading SSHE. I believe I am +EV live doing this not only because of the hands I win, but also because I am getting more action to the river when an A flops after I have raised in EP. Since most of my EP raises are with AK, AQ, AJ and sometimes AT this has worked out quite well... |
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Re: 10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?
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[ QUOTE ] (Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. After the awful pre-flop mistake, your play is fine. The value bet on the river seems reasonable. You probably get called enough by a ten, QQ, and ace high to justify it. |
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