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Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
Villain's AF is like .8
PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (3.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds. Turn: (2.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 3.70 BB Should I have bet/folded this turn, or is my play ok? |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
I think I raise PF here.
I think I need a better read on villain to make up my mind. A 60/10/.8 is far different from a 30/3/.8 WRT this hand, you know? |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
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A 60/10/.8 is far different from a 30/3/.8 WRT this hand, you know? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if I do know. He checked in the BB, how do his PF stats really matter here? |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
I think you need to bet fold this turn. I think check-folding the turn is bad, even if the guy has an aggression factor of 0.8. Basing this decision on a read like that seems bad to me. Even if this is over a significant sample, which you don't state, he could easily be aggressive enough to bet when you give up on the turn with just about anything. He might bet a picked up flush draw, and ace, who knows, maybe even a 7.
Also, you say nothing about his VPIP here. A 50/x/0.8 is not really that passive. Maybe this guy will religiously call except when you check to him, then bet. There are tons of these type of guys where a check fold would be bad. Also, a lot of guys will take stabs when you give up on a board like that. |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
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[ QUOTE ] A 60/10/.8 is far different from a 30/3/.8 WRT this hand, you know? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if I do know. He checked in the BB, how do his PF stats really matter here? [/ QUOTE ] His PF stats matter because they affect his AF - the more flops a guy sees, the more 'aggro' his AF is. A guy with a VPIP of 60 and an AF of 1 is betting/raising lighter than a VPIP 30 AF 1 guy. While it doesn't affect their PF range this hand, it makes a big difference as to whether this guy just might be betting an [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Ax, PP or even 7x. If he's 30/x/.8 guy, I feel very confident with B/F as he's not going to get tricksy. I'm not sure how I respond to a 60/x/.8 guy here, mainly because the pot is so damn small. I don't there's a whole lot of difference between B/F, C/C and C/f though. |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
Makes sense
Villain is 32/8/.8 Once I check the turn, I have to fold to his bet, right? (Unless villain is super-idiotic crazy bluffer, obv) |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
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Makes sense Villain is 32/8/.8 Once I check the turn, I have to fold to his bet, right? (Unless villain is super-idiotic crazy bluffer, obv) [/ QUOTE ] As played, ya. Tiny pot. RIO. If he bought it, good on him, next hand. |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
i'd b/f. there are a ton of straight draws he can have
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
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i'd b/f. there are a ton of straight draws he can have [/ QUOTE ] what's the plan on a river blank if villain just call the turn bet, b/f again? |
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Re: Worst turn card in the deck, give up?
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[ QUOTE ] i'd b/f. there are a ton of straight draws he can have [/ QUOTE ] what's the plan on a river blank if villain just call the turn bet, b/f again? [/ QUOTE ] b/f on a blank river seems extremely awful. A heart draw folds, a jack raises, an ace is either a chop or a loss. Check/call seems like the only way to go |
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