Luck vs. Skill test...

[drunkencowboy]

Ok. let me make sure im getting this right, as i dont want to miss the point of your OP.

Youre saying that someone playing holdem for their very first time (or 20th time), although mentally capable, will do very very poorly against the best poker player in the world? Well Jesus, I think youre on to something [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ive been playing tennis for years and I only got a couple points off Pete Sampras when we played last summer. Maybe I should have used your logic there...

Ok so for the dozens of people who read this and couldnt comprehend what jackaaron was saying: Most of the time a top professional goes against a beginner the professional will win. This even goes for poker, proving that there is no luck involved.

[jackaaron]

Whereas if those same two people you were talking about played roulette against each other, there would be no way of telling who would win.

Wow, you're finally getting it. Maybe I'll buy you a pack of depends even.

[drunkencowboy]

as useless as your point is, i still disagree that it is 100%. there is luck and it will affect the outcome. shoot, after $1,000,000 hands at $1 blinds, the guy who sat down with Ivey might actually learn and become better than Phil before the match is over...

ps. if you read the above post, i edited it. i like you fine jackaaron im not trying to be a dick and i know i have been. i cant help it.

[fraac]

Do you know what 'begging the question' means, Jack? It's commonly misused. It's the logical fallacy of which you're guilty in this thread. Ask Sklanners.

[jackaaron]

Actually, I think I found a major flaw in this test.

Now, although Ivey would obviously win the match described in the first post, one could argue that he actually got lucky, and this breaks the test down completely, doesn't it? So, even though I'm 100% sure that Ivey would win I couldn't prove that he didn't win with luck.

gg poker as skill dominated? I really want to find a test that proves it's dominated by skill though.

[fraac]

You could be big enough to admit who found the flaw, you bloody arsehole.

[jackaaron]

I think that you might have found it first...although I didn't know you did until after I posted. It's a matter of seconds....

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