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Old 02-19-2007, 01:25 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $16: QJ (2 hands)

How's my line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t2140)
Hero (t2050)
UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t1460)
MP1 (t1435)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1010)
CO (t520)
Button (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t210) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t250</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls t125.

Turn: (t710) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t300</font>, Hero calls t300.

River: (t1310) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, UTG calls t300.

Final Pot: t1910
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OK to shove? (I know, but I don't have sngpt)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t3540)
MP2 (t1665)
CO (t808)
Hero (t1870)
SB (t2035)
BB (t2187)
UTG (t1395)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1870</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t2035</font>, BB calls t1835.

Flop: (t5940) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Turn: (t5940) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: (t5940) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t5940
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

Hand 1 I check the flop and go from there. I really just don't like leading into so many people with a marginal hand.

Hand 2 is ok imo, but of course depends on calling ranges.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:59 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

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Hand 1 I check the flop and go from there. I really just don't like leading into so many people with a marginal hand.


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maybe hand one is another pot control situation w/ a marginal hand...?
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

Basically yeah, that's what I'm getting at. With less people in the pot I wouldn't mind leading, but there's just so much room for the pot to get inflated here and you'll be out of position on subsequent streets.
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:12 PM
DaN_05 DaN_05 is offline
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

Yeah w/ so many ppl in the pot in hand #1 I'm not crazy bout having TPGK at all. I'd check and then wait and see what action occurs.

Hand #2 shoving seems fine but yeah as said it depends on ranges and stuff. I'd shove along as I don't believe either is gunna call too wide. It depends if they're gunna be calling w stuff like A6o or not.
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:33 PM
Phil Van Sexton Phil Van Sexton is offline
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

I'd usually check flop in #1.

After you bet the flop, calling the min-raise is ok, I guess. It depends on read. When he fires again on the turn, I'm folding. It's too expensive to go into check-call mode here, IMO. The min-raise/turn bet shows real strength.

The blocking bet on the river is interesting, but I'd rather check. Since the flush was completed, he may well check behind with KJ or even 2 pair. I'm not worried about him firing a 3rd barrel with anything you are beating. Check/fold.
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

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I'd usually check flop in #1.

After you bet the flop, calling the min-raise is ok, I guess. It depends on read. When he fires again on the turn, I'm folding. It's too expensive to go into check-call mode here, IMO. The min-raise/turn bet shows real strength.

The blocking bet on the river is interesting, but I'd rather check. Since the flush was completed, he may well check behind with KJ or even 2 pair. I'm not worried about him firing a 3rd barrel with anything you are beating. Check/fold.

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Excellent advice for Hand 1. You misplayed it post-flop. C flop, c/f turn, c/f river.

Hand 2 is fine.
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: $16: QJ (2 hands)

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The blocking bet on the river is interesting, but I'd rather check.

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Actually it was meant to be a bluff due to the 3 flush scare card, since the way the hand played out could appear that I was chasing a draw... didn't work
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