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Old 01-12-2007, 09:09 AM
twang twang is offline
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Default Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

Villain is tight pf and he constantly overplays TPTK/big pairs. Basically: he never folds an overpair. Never.

NL100, 6 max

Stack sizes:
Hero: $100
MP: $
CO: $
Button: $
SB: $
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 66
Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB reraises to $13, Hero calls

Flop: ($26.5, 2 players) 3 4 5 rainbow
BB bets $25, Hero calls.

He has KK/AA. If I hit on turn I will take his remaining 62$. If I don't hit I fold to his turnbet. Folding the flop given the implied odds is bad. Pushing as a 40-60 dog and 0% FE is also silly, right? Just want to make sure this is standard.
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

fold pf, fold flop
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

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fold pf, fold flop

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Old 01-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

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fold pf, fold flop

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I'd love to hear why.
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Old 01-12-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

Fold everywhere. Although sometimes I'll be weak and see a flop here, once I don't flop a set I'm gone. You aren't getting correct odds to draw.
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Old 01-12-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

simple risk reward (just decided to make that name up) odds.
You're risking too much moniez to win too little moniez both pf and on the flop.
i could get into the exact math, but there are other old threads about this and i hate math.
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Old 01-12-2007, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

lol, why would anyone fold AA/KK in a rr pot for 100bb on this board?
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

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fold pf, fold flop

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I'd love to hear why.

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your implied odds aren't near as good as you think they are.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

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fold pf, fold flop

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I'd love to hear why.

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your implied odds aren't near as good as you think they are.

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The premise is that villain won't fold a big pocket pair/TPTK, no matter what. And the plan is obviously to shut down on the turn if I don't hit a 2, 6 or 7.

Preflop I lose 9$ 7 times (63$) and one time I win the pot + his remaining stack [17.5$ + 82.5$ = 100$). 63 < 100 and calling is fine.

On the flop I lose 25$ 4 times (100$) and I win the pot + his remaining stack one time (51.5$ + 62$ = 113.5$). 100 < 113.5 and calling is fine (but closer than preflop).

I have a horrible cold so please correct me if I screwed up the numbers or made some other mistake.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Line check: This villain can\'t fold an overpair

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fold pf, fold flop

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I'd love to hear why.

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your implied odds aren't near as good as you think they are.

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The premise is that villain won't fold a big pocket pair/TPTK, no matter what. And the plan is obviously to shut down on the turn if I don't hit a 2, 6 or 7.

Preflop I lose 9$ 7 times (63$) and one time I win the pot + his remaining stack [17.5$ + 82.5$ = 100$). 63 < 100 and calling is fine.

On the flop I lose 25$ 4 times (100$) and I win the pot + his remaining stack one time (51.5$ + 62$ = 113.5$). 100 < 113.5 and calling is fine (but closer than preflop).

I have a horrible cold so please correct me if I screwed up the numbers or made some other mistake.

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sometimes you flop a set and lose
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