12-24 - overcards and the all-in

[n.s.]

Live 12-24, 9 handed.

MP is a good player who I know well. He is a tricky TAG player, but he has some inner LAG demons that he lets loose a little too often - he's good at making sure he gets action on his big hands, but he can take that concept too far. He respects my play, but probably thinks I'm a smidge too tight and a bit too passive.

CO is mostly unknown, but he's been playing a lot of hands and smells pretty fishy. He hasn't been showing down anything ridiculous, though - he seems to get away from his bad hands before the river.

SB is a total fish. He's literally been playing every hand PF for any number of bets. Post-flop he'll fold when he totally misses, but will call down and draw very light. Despite having a big wad of benjamins (he dropped it on the table), he keeps buying in for $100 at a time and then losing it all in a hand or two. He's got about $50 when this hands starts.

The rule at this cardroom is that any all-in bet that is less than a full bet can only be completed, not raised (so if a player bets all-in on the flop for $9, the next player can only complete the bet to $12, not raise).

PF Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP 3-bets</font>, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero caps</font>, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 17 SB)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for 2 chips ($6)</font>, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](4 players, 1 all-in, 9 BB)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>...

[thirddan]

why not just raise the flop? sb made a half bet so you should be able to to raise to 18, this may depend on your casino...

your line looks very inconsistent and this isn't a very good board for your hand, especially with CO still in...i would be very surprised if you get rid of both MP and CO with a turn bet...

what is your plan for the river?

[n.s.]

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why not just raise the flop? sb made a half bet so you should be able to to raise to 18, this may depend on your casino...

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The rule at this cardroom is that any all-in bet that is less than a full bet can only be completed, not raised

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All I could do was fold, call, or complete to $12.

[thirddan]

meh, sorry bout that, i missed it when i read thru the first time...

i think im cool with just calling the flop bet, but i would prob c/f the turn, but perhaps im too weak...its possible that your cap has caused MP to slow down with a pair, but he will probably not bet a hand like KQ, and i think you can fold if CO bets...like i said above, this is just a bad board for your hand and its unlikely that you are ahead here and there is no sidepot (not sure if this matter since the pot is already big, but i see almost no chance that you are ahead)...

[Dugalufagus]

I would have completed the flop bet. What can they put you on smooth calling 2 chips on the flop that is improved by the 7 or that was a pair bigger than the board. Now that your on the turn though I guess I don't hate the bet, I actually think that you are reasonably likely to have the best hand atleast likely enough to justify giving yourself a shot to win the pot. If your good 1 in 8 times and catch a blank on the river woo hoo. I think that it's possible for your opponents to have hands like K,J Q,J A,J etc. Hands they will call with on the turn that you can beat if a blank comes. I think the river play is check call.

[n.s.]

My thinking on the flop is that by just calling the half-bet, I would likely get to see a turn card for one SB, since it can only get raised if MP completes and CO raises - completing the bet just seems to be asking for a protection raise from a hand like TT. With my overs and BDFD in this big pot, it seems like I definitely want to see a turn.

On the turn, I thought there was a good chance that I was ahead - it seems unlikely that MP or CO would flat-call the flop with an overpair. Even if one of them has a pair, it's more likely to be TT-QQ than KK or AA, since I have AK, and since CO cold-called PF. So, if I'm behind I should be drawing live. I thought that maybe the "protected pot" concept would work for me here - MP should know that I'm less likely to bluff at a dry side pot (of course, I know that SB could have literally anything and I figure I'm actually likely to be ahead of him). At least, it might get a call instead of a raise from TT-QQ.

Flawed thinking?

[private joker]

I wouldn't put any money into this dry side pot on a board this crappy for AKs. I don't think there's any point to the turn bet.

What cardroom spreads 12/24? Is it a 4/8 structure with $3 chips? The only 12/24 hands I've seen are the Hawaiian Gardens 8/16 + half-kill games, where the kill pots are 12/24.

[brick]

they do it in seattle because the max bet is $25. some rooms use $2 chips and some use $3 chips.
$2 chips = mountains of chips

[thirddan]

i think the palace in hayward has 12/24...