MNF - Giants @ Boys

[kyro]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

[MacGuyV]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

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Yes I think Dallas is every bit as good on a neutral field. I also think homefield in this one is worth a little something extra given that it's a more important game for Dallas. Both teams are shakey @QB; though the Cowboys problems in that area have just been more publicized because of the endless hype on the Philly game and their guy isn't named "Manning". In any case Bledsoe is generally ok at home.

[rjp]

My numbers show the Giants and Cowboys to be a PICK'EM on a neutral field. Throw in home field advantage and you've got the line pretty much where it is now.

I see now value either way, so I'm saving my money for next week. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ddss6_99]

What do you think about teasing NYG +9.5 and Over 39?

[rjp]

The true odds for that teaser is ~+120.

[kyro]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

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Yes I think Dallas is every bit as good on a neutral field. I also think homefield in this one is worth a little something extra given that it's a more important game for Dallas. Both teams are shakey @QB; though the Cowboys problems in that area have just been more publicized because of the endless hype on the Philly game and their guy isn't named "Manning". In any case Bledsoe is generally ok at home.

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Fair enough. I would just like to see the Cowboys beat a team that doesn't suck and blow before I start thinking they're not bad. Then again, a win tomorrow puts them right at the top of the division, so...

[fingokra]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

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Yes I think Dallas is every bit as good on a neutral field. I also think homefield in this one is worth a little something extra given that it's a more important game for Dallas. Both teams are shakey @QB; though the Cowboys problems in that area have just been more publicized because of the endless hype on the Philly game and their guy isn't named "Manning". In any case Bledsoe is generally ok at home.

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How are the Giants "shakey" at QB? Manning has thrown for an average of 265.8 yrds/g and has completed 65.3% and has a QB rating of 92.3. The Giants haven't had publicized problems in that area not because his last name is Manning but because Eli has been good. What is "shakey" is your reasoning.

[MacGuyV]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

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Yes I think Dallas is every bit as good on a neutral field. I also think homefield in this one is worth a little something extra given that it's a more important game for Dallas. Both teams are shakey @QB; though the Cowboys problems in that area have just been more publicized because of the endless hype on the Philly game and their guy isn't named "Manning". In any case Bledsoe is generally ok at home.

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How are the Giants "shakey" at QB? Manning has thrown for an average of 265.8 yrds/g and has completed 65.3% and has a QB rating of 92.3. The Giants haven't had publicized problems in that area not because his last name is Manning but because Eli has been good. What is "shakey" is your reasoning.

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OK we'll see...if you just go by stats then Bledsoe is first ballot HOF.

[fingokra]

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I love Dallas. Can't see the Giants going 3-0 in the division with 2 road wins.

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You think Dallas and the Giants are even teams on a neutral field? I don't. I expect Giants to win outright.

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Yes I think Dallas is every bit as good on a neutral field. I also think homefield in this one is worth a little something extra given that it's a more important game for Dallas. Both teams are shakey @QB; though the Cowboys problems in that area have just been more publicized because of the endless hype on the Philly game and their guy isn't named "Manning". In any case Bledsoe is generally ok at home.

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How are the Giants "shakey" at QB? Manning has thrown for an average of 265.8 yrds/g and has completed 65.3% and has a QB rating of 92.3. The Giants haven't had publicized problems in that area not because his last name is Manning but because Eli has been good. What is "shakey" is your reasoning.

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OK we'll see...if you just go by stats then Bledsoe is first ballot HOF.

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There is nothing to "we'll see." You might as well say "I think I'll ignore the facts and wait to see if he has a bad game." You said the Giants are "shakey" at QB. If that is the case then so are about 20 other NFL teams this year. Here is a comparsion for you. Everyone is going crazy over Grossman this year


R.Grossman1387 yrds 107/189 cmp/att that is 56.6% 10/7 TD/Int 82.0 Rating
E. Manning1329 yrds 115/176 cmp/att that is 65.3% 11/7 TD/Int 92.3 Rating

and Eli has played one less game

How about Tom Brady is he shaky and Matt Hassleback is he "shakey"?

T. Brady 1031 yrds 88/163 cmp/att that is 53.9% 8/3 td/int 82.6 Rating
M. Hassleback 1122 yrds 96/159 cmp/att that is 60.4% 9/7 td/int 82.3 Rating

[MacGuyV]

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There is nothing to "we'll see." You might as well say "I think I'll ignore the facts and wait to see if he has a bad game." You said the Giants are "shakey" at QB. If that is the case then so are about 20 other NFL teams this year. Here is a comparsion for you. Everyone is going crazy over Grossman this year


R.Grossman1387 yrds 107/189 cmp/att that is 56.6% 10/7 TD/Int 82.0 Rating
E. Manning1329 yrds 115/176 cmp/att that is 65.3% 11/7 TD/Int 92.3 Rating

and Eli has played one less game

How about Tom Brady is he shaky and Matt Hassleback is he "shakey"?

T. Brady 1031 yrds 88/163 cmp/att that is 53.9% 8/3 td/int 82.6 Rating
M. Hassleback 1122 yrds 96/159 cmp/att that is 60.4% 9/7 td/int 82.3 Rating


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Sorry for criticizing your son Archie. Look, I get that this is a poker board and the more stats you google to help your argument, the smarter you are. I also know if you go by QB rating and TD/Int ratio and completion %, Rob Johnson was the greatest QB in Bills history. I know more than a couple Giant fans who just don't share your opinion. He is still young, and seems to be pretty good in clutch situations (Philly this year, Denver last year, etc). If you were to assign a letter grade to each individual game this year though, which ones would you give him better than a B-? Wasn't the running game and defense primarily responsible for coming back on Atlanta last week despite two short throws to Shockey? Has the offense played a good 1st half yet this season? Could he have sucked any more in the playoffs last year? I'd like to have him on my team, but I still think there are legitimate questions about him. And as far as 20 other teams having shakey QB situations, well, that's probably not far from the truth. My only point was I don't think the Giants have a significant edge in that department in this particular game Monday night; and I just felt like pointing that out because I expected that most people probably don't agree; that's fine.