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11-12-2005, 09:15 AM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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If DERB were a bot, his play would most likely get worse as more players entered the pot. It might be interesting for someone with a lot of hands on him with Pokertracker should check his results with 2,3,4,5,6 players seeing the flop, and compare it with other players of his winrate, and separately compare with other players with the same VPIP/Aggression, even if the latter are losing players. It would be very interesting if losing players play better than DERB multiway. If there are no good comparisons to be made for winrate, examining AA, KK, QQ, JJ multiway hands that see showdown may be interesting. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#2
11-12-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] But just because you can't figure out a good methodology, this is not a reason to just throw up your hands and give up. Every time I sit down at the poker table I perform an unscientific study, if a guy plays the first two hands I see like he has the nuts, I tentatively call him an LAG. In the real world, you can't just sit around waiting for perfect data.
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#3
11-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] But just because you can't figure out a good methodology, this is not a reason to just throw up your hands and give up. Every time I sit down at the poker table I perform an unscientific study, if a guy plays the first two hands I see like he has the nuts, I tentatively call him an LAG. In the real world, you can't just sit around waiting for perfect data. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I know that studies don't have to be scientific to be useful. The main reason I replied to your post the way you did, is because it is absolutely ridiculous to do what you proposed. DERB is obviously a real person, and it would be a huge waste of time to try to compile some data to show whether or not he is a bot.
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#4
11-12-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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Yes, I know that studies don't have to be scientific to be useful. The main reason I replied to your post the way you did, is because it is absolutely ridiculous to do what you proposed. DERB is obviously a real person, and it would be a huge waste of time to try to compile some data to show whether or not he is a bot. [/ QUOTE ] Huge waste of time??? It would take about 2 minutes using Pokertracker, if that. It's in the filter on the main page. I guess your time is more valuable than mine. I tend to agree that DERB is probably a real person. However, mine was one of the few posts that actually suggested analyzing one of the hypotheses that have been made. If it doesn't come in useful for DERB, it may come in handy when some other player is in question. These boards have had multiple discussions about bots and nobody ever says anything useful. I tend to withhold saying anything useful, as well, because all I'd get in return is snide comments. On 2+2, it seems, the only way out of this box is to post one's winrate, IQ, and/or GRE scores. Luckily I'm going to be away from the Internet for the next week...
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#5
11-12-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
Your post was fine. The boards are just too cluttered for very many "nice post" replies, so you are only going to see criticisms. If you think a criticism missed the mark, don't take it personally.
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#6
12-21-2005, 07:37 AM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, I know that studies don't have to be scientific to be useful. The main reason I replied to your post the way you did, is because it is absolutely ridiculous to do what you proposed. DERB is obviously a real person, and it would be a huge waste of time to try to compile some data to show whether or not he is a bot. [/ QUOTE ] Huge waste of time??? It would take about 2 minutes using Pokertracker, if that. It's in the filter on the main page. I guess your time is more valuable than mine. I tend to agree that DERB is probably a real person. However, mine was one of the few posts that actually suggested analyzing one of the hypotheses that have been made. If it doesn't come in useful for DERB, it may come in handy when some other player is in question. These boards have had multiple discussions about bots and nobody ever says anything useful. I tend to withhold saying anything useful, as well, because all I'd get in return is snide comments. On 2+2, it seems, the only way out of this box is to post one's winrate, IQ, and/or GRE scores. Luckily I'm going to be away from the Internet for the next week... [/ QUOTE ] Do you want a hug?
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#7
11-12-2005, 10:43 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] If DERB were a bot, his play would most likely get worse as more players entered the pot. It might be interesting for someone with a lot of hands on him with Pokertracker should check his results with 2,3,4,5,6 players seeing the flop, and compare it with other players of his winrate, and separately compare with other players with the same VPIP/Aggression, even if the latter are losing players. It would be very interesting if losing players play better than DERB multiway. If there are no good comparisons to be made for winrate, examining AA, KK, QQ, JJ multiway hands that see showdown may be interesting. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Is DERB the next phase of our Intelligent Designer's plan? -Ash
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