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KK Indecent turn card
SB is a 16/6
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls. Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls. Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, hero... |
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
Gets a read at showdown [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
I think I call. We may still be best, and worst case, there are 3 more J's that will put you over the top.
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
damn donk bet. wtf is up with these people... what happened to c/r? geeez.
ok I call here, wait for a non-spade river and call a bet there... otherwise I fold on the river. |
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
Compare and contrast the merits of calling and raising becaues I chose to raise.
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#6
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
Raising gets you no value from hands that you beat, and a lot of the hands that you'd rather not be drawing are now folding. Naked K's are about all you're really concerned about protecting against.
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
really? You aren't worried about protection? if the turn were a blank and the sb fired, wouldn't it be a mandatory raise?
I guess I don't understand that part about hands drawing now folding. |
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
If you raise the turn, then I think that you will be 3-bet by your opponent if he has either the straight or a set.
Then you will probably want to call to see if you improve by the river. If your opponent is donking the turn as a bluff with say AK, then I suppose you will gain a bet assuming he calls your raise. However, I suspect that there is more chance that you are drawing to beat your opponent, than that he is bluffing. So I think that calling the turn would be better than raising. Assuming that you call on the turn, would you call a river bet unimproved ? |
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
how can you protect if the guy is betting a J? People will call/raise if they have a J in their hand. That's not protecting... that's called donating.
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Re: KK Indecent turn card
I understand the merits of raising for protection purposes but given SB's stats and the obvious 4 to a straight on the board, I don't see how raising makes much sense. My guess is that SB has a jack and feels you may slow down seeing the 4 to a straight. Even if SB doesn't have a jack, he most likely can beat KK's. I would try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.
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