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Old 11-07-2007, 12:02 AM
QuietEarner QuietEarner is offline
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Default Am I maximizing value from flopped sets! NL50, Full Tilt

Maybe this is just variance, but seems like lately I'm not getting max value from flopped sets. Most times I've just been fast playing, going for the check raise when I know the continuation bet is coming. Should I not check raise as much when I know the continuation bet is coming and villains range isn't on the board.

Some Examples.


HAND 1: Villain is 12/10/3, almost always continuation betting. Probably a standard hand, can't let him draw. That A is strongly in his range though. Decent pot I'm just greedy want the whole stack.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($75.15)
UTG ($59.05)
MP ($50)
CO ($50)
Hero ($88.25)
SB ($49)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $4.55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $13.85

HAND 2: Villain is 23/18/3. Same deal as the last one almost, villain is continuation betting alot, but can't let him draw right.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($69.60)
BB ($43.50)
UTG ($46.25)
MP ($83.70)
CO ($50)
Button ($61.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: $10.50

Hand 3: Villain is 25/22/3.4, somewhat of a calling station. Have seen him call down with TPWK, a gutshot with 2 overs once, and with just overs 2 times. Is my bet sizing to strong here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($31.15)
SB ($58.85)
BB ($22.60)
UTG ($54)
Hero ($165.80)
CO ($49)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($16.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $16.75

Just a couple of examples, not sure if I'm really doing something wrong not getting more money into the pot or if it's just a variance thing where it's a little dry spell (value wise). Basically asking if I'm getting max value out of these hands or can I get more some kind of way.

The biggest part of this is that most of these hands the villain has hit a flop that is almost certainly in their range. Small exception on last one, but he did call my flop bet so must have something.
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