Two Live 4-8 Hands, Covering All The Bases on Bad River Play

[VegasNoob]

First off, I figure I owe an intro of sorts, long time lurker, but (as can be seen) almost non existent poster. Figure this forum is probably one of those, the more you put into it the more you get out of it things, therefore I'd better try to post some hands for discussion. Here are two and as indicated my focus is on the river play although obviously comments on all streets are welcome.

The game is live 4-8 at a Vegas locals oriented casino (Station fwiw). It's a game I play regularly and I've played w/ many of the other people described in these hands, so I have at least some semblance of reads.

Hand 1, Villan # 1 is BB. I've not played with him much, but from what I have seen he has definite maniacal tendancies. I've only been at the table from a few hands, but from what I gather from the time I have been seated plus watching the table while waiting he played in a wild game the night before, won big and has won some big pots this session as well. He has about 3 racks worth in front of him. Second player in hand (not really villan) is in CO and is typical LP older guy post flop calling station. Villan 2 is OTB. I've played many times with Villan #2, he is extremely loose pf and somewhat aggressive after. Typically will not raise draws, but will raise much less than nuts (e.g. two pair on board w/straights and/or flushes). Also sticks with hands too long post flop, hates to give up on draws. Hero is UTG+1 w/55.

Preflop, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Villan 2 calls, SB completes, BB checks, Pot = 6 SB.

Flop comes 5h, black 9, Jh. SB checks, Villan 1 bets, UTG calls, hero raises, CO & Villan 2 cold-call, SB folds, Villan 1 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, CO & Villan 2 cold-call again, Villan 1 & UTG both call. Pot = 13 BB.

Turn is Ac, checked to hero who bets, all call. Pot = 18 BB.

River is Qd, checked to hero who bets, CO calls, Villan 2 raises, Villan 1 and UTG both fold, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Villan 2 caps, Hero calls. Pot = 27 BB.

Hand # 2 came two hands later w/Hero in BB. In this hand Villan is UTG+2, have not played with him before, but he has 4-5 racks of chips in front of him and based on the other player comments he has been playing and winning big w/ATC, the deck is just running him over. Hero is BB w/ 5d8h. Folded to Villan who calls, 2 more calls, SB completes Hero checks. Pot = 5 SB.

Flop comes face card, 6, 7 two diamonds. Checked to Hero who bets, all call. Pot = 5 BB.

Turn is 4d. Checked to Hero who bets, Villan calls, 1 other call. Pot = 8 BB.

River is a Q, no diamond. Hero bets, Villan raises, 1 fold, Hero calls. Pot = 12 BB.

As stated in the title, I think I've just given a seminar on bad river play. Although I took drastically different tacks on the river in the two hands it seems to me that both hands demonstrate different facets of the same mistake. Anyway, lay into me.