Not convinced KK all-in preflop up to 100BB is good idea (at $0.50NL)

PJo336 · #8 10-26-2007, 12:17 PM

People have much wider ranges than you would really think to go all in preflop. Here are my most recent all ins preflop with KK, They are from 50nl and 25nl

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $71.45
SB: $51.85
BB: $25.75
UTG: $36.95
MP: $28.25
CO: $61.10

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $51.85 and is All-In, 2 folds, Hero calls $45.85

Flop: ($105.95) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($105.95) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($105.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $105.95 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON $102.95 (+$51.10 NET)
SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$51.85 NET)

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HAND #2
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $31.40
BB: $38.40
UTG: $49.85
CO: $18.80
BTN: $105

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $5, Hero raises to $31.40 and is All-In, BB calls $26.40

Flop: ($62.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($62.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($62.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $62.80 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Nines) and WON $59.80 (+$28.40 NET)
BB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Nines) and LOST (-$31.40 NET)

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HAND #3
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $45.50
SB: $52.10
BB: $49.60
UTG: $22.15
MP: $25.70
CO: $175.90

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $6.75, 2 folds, MP raises to $11.50, Hero raises to $45.50 and is All-In, MP calls $14.20 and is All-In

Flop: ($52.15) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($52.15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($52.15) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $52.15 Pot ($2.60 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON $49.55 (+$23.85 NET)
MP showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$25.70 NET)

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HAND #4
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $23.20
BTN: $22.90
Hero (SB): $26.90
BB: $25
UTG: $3.50
MP: $14.90

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, MP raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $26.90 and is All-In, BB calls $24.75 and is All-In, MP folds

Flop: ($51) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($51) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($51) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $51 Pot ($2.55 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $48.45 (+$23.45 NET)
BB showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$25 NET)

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HAND #5
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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Hero (BB): $23.30
UTG: $18.65
BTN: $42.10
SB: $22.75

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero raises to $23.30 and is All-In, BTN raises to $42.10 and is All-In, SB folds

Flop: ($47.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($47.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($47.60) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $47.60 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON $45.60 (+$22.30 NET)
BTN showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$23.30 NET)

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HAND #6
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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SB: $36.45
Hero (BB): $57.55

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $57.55 and is All-In, SB calls $33.45 and is All-In

Flop: ($72.90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($72.90) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($72.90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $72.90 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
SB showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Eights) and WON $72.40 (+$35.95 NET)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$36.45 NET)

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HAND #7
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $28.45
BTN: $46
SB: $18.40
Hero (BB): $28
UTG: $28.90

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.85, SB folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN raises to $9, Hero raises to $28 and is All-In, BTN calls $19

Flop: ($56.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($56.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($56.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $56.10 Pot ($2.80 Rake)
BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Queens) and WON $53.30 (+$25.30 NET)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Queens) and LOST (-$28 NET)

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HAND #8
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $24.70
BTN: $8.25
SB: $31.35
BB: $25.25
UTG: $57.60
MP: $8.25

MP posts $0.25
Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.25, MP checks, Hero raises to $1.35, BTN raises to $8.25 and is All-In, 2 folds, UTG calls $8, MP folds, Hero raises to $24.70 and is All-In, UTG calls $16.45

Flop: ($58.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($58.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($58.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $58.25 Pot ($2.90 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$24.70 NET)
BTN showed J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $24.10 (+$15.85 NET)
UTG showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $31.25 (+$6.55 NET)

I ran into AA in one of those, and one was heads up so that can basically be ignored, but the point here is that ranges for all ins are not neccessarily as small as most people believe and that is why people believe KK is profitable to get all in. If you are not getting called by worse hands than KK or QQ, you need to loosen up a bit.

Obviously some of these arent the best examples but i think it gets the point across that people are looser than you believe