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Old 10-18-2007, 05:28 PM
TheBad TheBad is offline
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Default We never ever fold here, right ? AK/2-Pair/10

It is Villains very first hand on the table and the very first hand i ever play with him. His avatar is a cute asian girl, i give her a nine.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 ($1.85)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($9.75)</font>
CO ($8.80)
Button ($11.70)
SB ($12.45)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($10)</font>
UTG ($7.60)
UTG+1 ($12.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.3</font>, CO calls $0.30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.95) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $0.9</font>, Hero calls $0.90, CO calls $0.60.

Turn: ($3.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1.9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.8</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $8.8</font>, Hero calls $4.75 (All-In).

River: ($20.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $20.75

Just to make one thing clear: I donīt regret calling and will do so the next time in the same situation, still, after playing with pokerstove this hand left me thinking. I have a couple of Questions..

1a: We never ever fold here right ?
1b: So i will not have to ask you again in 4 weeks.. We donīt think about folding at NL25/50/100 too, right ?

To the interesting part. I was surprised that my equity in this hand was bellow 10% ! (Villain had 22) So most of our equity comes from the hand where villain as a flush draw or a straight draw or 2-pair or, more likely a combodraw.

Also letīs asume villain is 20/10 or tighter for at least 30 hands.

2a) Given that he canīt have a pair of aces + the flush draw, do we have to give him a _much_ smaller hand range here ?
2b) Is this a place for a very sick epert fold now ?
2c) Would it become a fold if we where not getting 4:1 but something like 2:1 ?

3) If it was possible for villain to have Aces + FD then itīs again nofoldemholdem regardless how tight he is right ?
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