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Old 09-28-2007, 09:02 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Turn fold with QQ

The reason for the 'slowplay' pre flop was that the button was playing at 78/42 and shoving most flops, with any pair, sometimes no pair /draw. He had previously shoved an AK2J board on the turn with 23o and there was this beauty:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($149.05)
Hero ($100)
BB ($174.90)
UTG ($74.30)
MP ($49.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $8.50.

Flop: ($25.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1</font>, MP calls $1.

Turn: ($27.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $27.5</font>, MP calls $27.50.

River: ($82.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $33.8 (All-In)</font>, MP calls $8.90 (All-In).

Final Pot: $125.20

UTG has 7c Ks (one pair, twos).
MP has Ac Kc (one pair, twos).
Outcome: MP wins $100.30. UTG wins $24.90.


Therefore, I expect him to re-raise pre-flop so that I can shove; or if he calls to go crazy on a safe board for my hand, so elect to just call the initial raise from UTG who was 18/11/3 and who I'd expect to fold a midpair / AT type hand to any re-raise pre-flop but likely overplay such a hand post flop if I just flat called due to the presence of the maniac in the hand.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($103)
Hero ($100)
CO ($157.55)
Button ($25.35)
SB ($45.90)
BB ($119)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($13.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $21.35 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls $13.35, Hero calls $13.35.

Turn: ($77.55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $70</font>, Hero folds.

River: ($147.55) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $147.55
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