Question

[ThomasDayton]

I hope this is correct for this forum:

"The board has 5 of hearts, J of hearts, 8 of hearts, 4 of clubs.
You hold AQ off and the A is hearts
You put your opponent on having pocket J's
The pot has 500 chips and your opponent bets 350

In the long run would you make money or lose money if you make this call? and why?"

I first posted this on Beginners because there had been talk about Pot odds and BEP's. My whole point was that Pot odds and BEP are not equal and one and the same as people had been insisting.

This was the answer I had

"On the river you have a 18.2% chance of winning.
Pot odds are 850/350 or 2.4 to 1
Break even % is 1/2.4+1 or 1/3.4 or 29%
You need a 29% chance or better to win for it to be profitable in the long run if you call.

So you would lose more money then make money in the long run."

Then I had a extra thought as I post this and asked about raise.

"However if you raise and represent a made flush, I wonder how much the raise would have to be to force him to fold, thinking he does not have a better % of making a fullhouse then the break even percentage.

Now it is starting to sound like there is a reason for understanding how to figure pot odds and break even persentages."

At first I had a hard time figuring the answer because I am new to poker and just learning Pot odds and BEP's
But I think a raise of 450 to 800 total would give the J's a poor BEP.

One person said that there where other things to consider then BEP's like FE (not sure what that is) and that if we are talking about a raise maybe this should be posted in theory, and also one person talked about how there was no senerio of what happened up to this point.

First off I guess my question is Have I figured the BEP's right, and is that the right amount of a raise to make the J's consider a fold, and then I guess what are some of the other considerations Like the (FE) one person mentioned