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Old 09-12-2007, 01:54 PM
CobraGoat CobraGoat is offline
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Default Leading OOP in limped pot v. Raised pot

As we all know, this forum frowns on donk betting. That is, leading the flop out of position into the IP PreFlop raiser (that is unless we flopped a monster). And i totally agree with this as checking to the PF raiser with our TP type hands, typically, is the best way to maximize the value of our winning hand while minimizing the losses we sustain on our losers.

However, and maybe i just missed the poobah or stickied thread on this (now I'm thinking of an EPdaws post about playing OOP), what about situations when we are in the SB or BB with a nice suited connector or random broadway, couple of limpers no raises and we see a flop in an unraised pot?

For instance, in SB, we are dealt 9Tspades, MP and button limp in, we complete and BB checks. What is our best play on the following flops?

984r

954 two hearts

789r

955

Personally, I used to always check these cuz I was OOP and saw it as a not quite as bad but still kinda bad version of donkbetting.

Lately, I have found myself typically betting out on all of these flops. What are peoples thoughts in this change of play?

Overall, I think leading is better than checking OOP in an unraised pot because it increases my overall expectation due to picking up these pots more often than not and not having to wonder what I am up against if I check and the button bets pot when its checked to him etc. I used to believe that I was not maximizing the value/minimizing losses by betting out but now i think leading has a greater expectation from taking the pot down on the flop, rather than trying to navigate through the turn and river OOP when i checked the flop in hopes that my TP isn't outdrawn or wasn't beat from the get go.

As do all my theoryesque posts, I expect this thread to sink like a rock [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] But I hope someone is interested enough to respond.
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