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[DrewDevil]

I don't think Redbean has discredited the arguments, but simply called them into question. I think he conflates "evidence" and "proof" on purpose, and quite well.

For example, increased HR output after age 35 is suspicious because most players don't do that. Is it "evidence" of steroid use? Meh, maybe it's evidence, but as I said earlier, it's not compelling. It's certainly not proof of steroid use.

But showing that Hank Aaron also increased HR output after age 35 does not "discredit" the theory that steroids helped Bonds improve HIS production after 35. It may very well be that that's exactly what happened. Redbean has simply shown that it's not NECESSARILY the cause for the effect.

That is not the same thing as "discrediting" the evidence, just showing that it's not the absolute incontrovertible proof Redbean demands.

Dammit, I told myself I was through with this debate...